This type of arrangement is incredibly common for industrial companies. No one ever hires scabs, they just force the office people to work these insane shifts to cover. This is part of the reason I hammer home the idea that white collar professionals are not "working class". Workers on the shop floor understand this too - those friendly engineers at your DSA meeting are MANAGEMENT to the hard hats.
This playbook has been run for over 100 years. One of the more blatant examples was racist ass white unions not letting black people join and then going full :shocked-pikachu: when black folks ended up as scabs. The idea that a junior dev is “management” and therefore “not a worker” because they work in an office is straight up Pinkerton propaganda. Literally, union busters will insert people onto the floor to talk shit about the office people and vice-versa.
Do you own the means of production? Or is your income dependent upon showing up and performing a job of some kind? Congratulations, you're a worker. And yes, coordinating people and resources is a job.
Pay and prestige differences between white collar and blue collar workers are just there to obfuscate their shared class interest. Don't buy into the capitalist's propaganda here.
They're paid to be scabs. That's literally why John Deere hires engineers to do sbitnwhen they could get someone without a degree to do "plant engineering" or maintenance much cheaper.
The people that the Labor Notes guy got texts from I guarantee are some 25 year olds who haven't quite figured out what their role is. The older, more experienced PMCs know the score.
I'm basically in the same boat as you brother. I never intend to doom people. I just like to share a perspective that I rarely see represented in leftist discourse.
I don't watch TV, this is my life lmfao. 22 year old kids make as much money for a 40 hour work week as people at the very top of the hourly pay scale, in jobs that take 20+ years seniority.
No one ever hires scabs, they just force the office people to work these insane shifts to cover.
Maybe it depends on the industry or workplace, but this would be unthinkable at every place I've worked at. Throwing untrained salaried workers at tasks they have no experience with is both doomed to fail and will make the problem worse by forcing those workers to start looking elsewhere.
They aren't "untrained". They don't pull accountants or anything like that to do skilled tasks. They ask engineers who work in maintenance, or do process design or machinery upgrades. People who know how the shit sorta works but don't run it all day long normally.
Process engineers or some others might be able to replicate tasks for processes or equipment they’re familiar with, but there are likely far fewer people in engineering roles who could do that than there are production line workers. Even then, knowing how a process or piece of machinery works certainly isn’t a guarantee that they can perform certain tasks to level of quality or speed of a line worker who’s been doing it for years.
This type of arrangement is incredibly common for industrial companies. No one ever hires scabs, they just force the office people to work these insane shifts to cover. This is part of the reason I hammer home the idea that white collar professionals are not "working class". Workers on the shop floor understand this too - those friendly engineers at your DSA meeting are MANAGEMENT to the hard hats.
You're seeing actual management pit two groups of workers against each other and you point at one of them and exclaim "not real workers!"
Edit
Frankly, this sounds like something that a chud would say to sow division.
This playbook has been run for over 100 years. One of the more blatant examples was racist ass white unions not letting black people join and then going full :shocked-pikachu: when black folks ended up as scabs. The idea that a junior dev is “management” and therefore “not a worker” because they work in an office is straight up Pinkerton propaganda. Literally, union busters will insert people onto the floor to talk shit about the office people and vice-versa.
deleted by creator
Do you own the means of production? Or is your income dependent upon showing up and performing a job of some kind? Congratulations, you're a worker. And yes, coordinating people and resources is a job.
Pay and prestige differences between white collar and blue collar workers are just there to obfuscate their shared class interest. Don't buy into the capitalist's propaganda here.
deleted by creator
:downbear:
I disagree re my reply to this same comment. They may be more likely to turn class traitor but they are absolutely still working class.
deleted by creator
They're paid to be scabs. That's literally why John Deere hires engineers to do sbitnwhen they could get someone without a degree to do "plant engineering" or maintenance much cheaper.
The people that the Labor Notes guy got texts from I guarantee are some 25 year olds who haven't quite figured out what their role is. The older, more experienced PMCs know the score.
deleted by creator
I'm basically in the same boat as you brother. I never intend to doom people. I just like to share a perspective that I rarely see represented in leftist discourse.
deleted by creator
deleted by creator
I don't watch TV, this is my life lmfao. 22 year old kids make as much money for a 40 hour work week as people at the very top of the hourly pay scale, in jobs that take 20+ years seniority.
Maybe it depends on the industry or workplace, but this would be unthinkable at every place I've worked at. Throwing untrained salaried workers at tasks they have no experience with is both doomed to fail and will make the problem worse by forcing those workers to start looking elsewhere.
They aren't "untrained". They don't pull accountants or anything like that to do skilled tasks. They ask engineers who work in maintenance, or do process design or machinery upgrades. People who know how the shit sorta works but don't run it all day long normally.
Process engineers or some others might be able to replicate tasks for processes or equipment they’re familiar with, but there are likely far fewer people in engineering roles who could do that than there are production line workers. Even then, knowing how a process or piece of machinery works certainly isn’t a guarantee that they can perform certain tasks to level of quality or speed of a line worker who’s been doing it for years.
deleted by creator