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  • sagarmatha [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    phenomenology is not equal to marxism, though marxism is definitely a form of systematics so it does have to account for the whole picture, but I think we can safely say that subjectivity is already incorporated within the greater incentives and contradictions within relationships of production and capitalism

    • wmz [any]
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      3 years ago

      what I mean is that marxism is able to zoom in and zoom out at will. It shouldn't stay zoomed in or stay zoomed out, it all depends on what we are trying to accomplish.

      • sagarmatha [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        sure but there is an implicit critique of phenomenology in marxism, that what matters is not so much the lived experience (as in perception) but what is behind it (the relations of production), which I think is more correct and which matters if we are talking about morality

        • wmz [any]
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          3 years ago

          how does marxism imply that lived experience doesn't matter?

          • sagarmatha [none/use name]
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            3 years ago

            as I said, as a systematics, and by going behind the perception to the cause of it, it diminishes the importance of phenomenology, also explicitly with the concept of false consciousness and I guess maybe also commodity fetishization, I didn't not say it said it did not matter however