• Kuori [she/her]
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    11 months ago

    but have you considered that it's bad actually to laud the transphobic blood libel game with Ubisoft characteristics?

    particularly in a year so packed with actual decent games deserving of recognition?

    • snowe@programming.dev
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      11 months ago

      It’s literally the opposite of transphobic. It’s like they tried as hard as they could to negate everything bad JKR has ever said…

      • Cromalin [she/her]
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        11 months ago

        sadly it still shovels money into her pockets and is about the cabal of hooked nose bankers stealing children to perform rituals

      • Kuori [she/her]
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        11 months ago

        noticing you're neglecting to defend the blood libel plotline or the fact that it's another bland, dogshit open world game

        but also if i wanted a cissie's opinions on trans issues i'd surely have asked instead of telling

                • kristina [she/her]
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                  11 months ago

                  fr, they have head up ass syndrome. apparently its too hard to listen to trans people on what is and isnt transphobic

                  • Kuori [she/her]
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                    11 months ago

                    geordi-no multiple trans people telling you supporting transphobia is bad

                    geordi-yes a single zionist with a substack telling you supporting antisemitism is fine and cool

                    • Cromalin [she/her]
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                      11 months ago

                      ok fine, i'll try and be as clear as possible

                      sometimes things are bad and are bad at their core (both because they financially support someone who is doing so much to make the world more transphobic than it already is and also all the antisemitism, racism, classism, misogyny, transphobia, and just plain old bad writing decisions at the core of the story) and we just need to let go and stop participating in the fandom because it inevitably leads to people saying shit like "oh i can just buy this harry potter game even though i know jkr sucks and this gives money to her that she will use to fund bigotry, it belongs to the the fans now!" when it doesn't, as long as jkr is alive it's her space and spending time in it will eventually lead to money making its way over to her!!!

                      and the game itself is bad because it's about the goblins, who have long been noted to be fairly antisemitic caricatures in harry potter, being swarthy hooked nosed creatures who run the banks, have a long history of pogroms being run on them, have different moral values around ownership (very similar to accusations of judeo bolshevism) and have a literal star of david as their symbol in the films. and in this game they kidnap children for ritual purposes which is just straight up blood libel

                      if you still aren't sure what's antisemitic here and you somehow aren't a bad faith poster, look up judeo bolshevism, look up blood libel, look up images of antisemitic caricatures and compare them to descriptions of goblins in harry potter. there are so many antisemitic tropes in there it's impossible to imagine no one was aware

                      • ExotiqueMatter@lemmygrad.ml
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                        11 months ago

                        The house elfs also want to free their race from slavery perpetrated by humans, and that makes them bad guys because in HP lore they « are happy with servitude » and « it’s natural for them ».

                        In the books, Hermione is made fun of by the narrator and the characters for suggesting that house elfs should be freed.

                        And Harry at some point gets his own house elf slave but the story never paint it as a bad thing because « he is a good master so it’s ok ».

                        There is no universe where this isn’t slavery apologia.

                        • Cromalin [she/her]
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                          11 months ago

                          yeah the last line of the last book (before the epilogue) is harry thinking "gee, i sure hope my slave brings me a sandwich," as he lounges in bed. i didn't talk about the house elf stuff because my focus was on the goblins but it's just as, if not more, rancid and evil. many such bits in the books, rita skeeter was really the first sign of jkr's transphobia

                      • snowe@programming.dev
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                        11 months ago

                        sometimes things are bad and are bad at their core (both because they financially support someone who is doing so much to make the world more transphobic than it already is and also all the antisemitism, racism, classism, misogyny, transphobia, and just plain old bad writing decisions at the core of the story) and we just need to let go and stop participating in the fandom because it inevitably leads to people saying shit like “oh i can just buy this harry potter game even though i know jkr sucks and this gives money to her that she will use to fund bigotry, it belongs to the the fans now!” when it doesn’t, as long as jkr is alive it’s her space and spending time in it will eventually lead to money making its way over to her!!!

                        I'm sorry, but this is such an insane view (with so many inaccuracies in it I'm not going to bother debunking them all) that it's pointless to argue here. Maybe spend your energy on something else, you're giving her more mindspace than she is doing actual harm to the community. And she's probably making very very little off of HL as a whole. Warner Brothers owns the majority of the copyrights around the HL universe, unless it's theater or books, JK Rowling's website even says so.

                        and the game itself is bad because it’s about the goblins, who have long been noted to be fairly antisemitic caricatures in harry potter, being swarthy hooked nosed creatures who run the banks, have a long history of pogroms being run on them, have different moral values around ownership (very similar to accusations of judeo bolshevism) and have a literal star of david as their symbol in the films. and in this game they kidnap children for ritual purposes which is just straight up blood libel

                        This has been debunked time and time again. If you don't believe me, maybe you'll believe the actual CAMPAIGN AGAINST ANTISEMITISM. She's so against antisemitism that the fucking Campaign Against Antisemitism says "So it is with JK Rowling, who has proven herself over recent years to be a tireless defender of the Jewish community in its fight against antisemitism, for which we are immensely grateful".

                        It's you that are seeing antisemetism. It's not there. It's a folk tale that has evolved over actual centuries into tales that go beyond the original tropes. Maybe instead of getting into arguments around this stuff you should look into the history of it and realize that, just because something looks bad, doesn't mean it is.

                        if you still aren’t sure what’s antisemitic here and you somehow aren’t a bad faith poster, look up judeo bolshevism, look up blood libel, look up images of antisemitic caricatures and compare them to descriptions of goblins in harry potter. there are so many antisemitic tropes in there it’s impossible to imagine no one was aware

                        maybe you should actually research the history of things rather than just looking at pictures and comparing. It's quite racist (and antisemetic) to think that just because things look similar that they were intended to be the same thing. They're not.

                        • LesbianLiberty [she/her]
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                          11 months ago

                          This has been debunked time and time again. If you don't believe me, maybe you'll believe the actual CAMPAIGN AGAINST ANTISEMITISM. She's so against antisemitism that the fucking Campaign Against Antisemitism says "So it is with JK Rowling, who has proven herself over recent years to be a tireless defender of the Jewish community in its fight against antisemitism, for which we are immensely grateful".

                          Yeah, I don't think an organization that carries water for the Zionist regime in Israel actually cares about the safety of Jews at all. Israel has been proven to stoke antisemitism abroad and make the situation for Jews outside of Israel worse in order to entice them to emmigrate to Israel. Any organization that doesn't acknowledge and challenge the racist framing of Jews with the Israeli state is itself incredibly antisemitic, and demonstrates that they don't really care about the welfare of Jews. I think it's safe to say that a far right organization would be willing to hold water for other far right figures, and that real Jews like my partner are correct when they say that Joanne's depicted stereotypes of goblins as essentially Jewish bankers is incredibly hurtful and encourages real life harm against Jews.

                          One of the most horrifying details in the game too, of which the director for it for most of it's development was a far right media personality, is that the "goblins" use an "annoying horn" for a status effect that's directly modeled off of the Shofar. The Jewish Shofar is a very holy and important cultural artifact for Jews which is directly paralleled in the game as an "annoying horn".

                          • snowe@programming.dev
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                            11 months ago

                            Yeah, I don’t think an organization that carries water for the Zionist regime in Israel actually cares about the safety of Jews at all. Israel has been proven to stoke antisemitism abroad and make the situation for Jews outside of Israel worse in order to entice them to emmigrate to Israel. Any organization that doesn’t acknowledge and challenge the racist framing of Jews with the Israeli state is itself incredibly antisemitic, and demonstrates that they don’t really care about the welfare of Jews. I think it’s safe to say that a far right organization would be willing to hold water for other far right figures, and that real Jews like my partner are correct when they say that Joanne’s depicted stereotypes of goblins as essentially Jewish bankers is incredibly hurtful and encourages real life harm against Jews.

                            🤦 you seriously want me to just go find plenty of other sources agreeing that you're arguing about folklore at this point instead of racist stereotypes? If people like you weren't bringing it up, literally no one would even notice. You sure aren't getting up in arms about the exact same depiction of goblins in literally every other piece of fantasy out there.

                            One of the most horrifying details in the game too, of which the director for it for most of it’s development was a far right media personality, is that the “goblins” use an “annoying horn” for a status effect that’s directly modeled off of the Shofar. The Jewish Shofar is a very holy and important cultural artifact for Jews which is directly paralleled in the game as an “annoying horn”.

                            yeah, so you clearly haven't played the game, and the fact that you think that there's an "annoying horn" in the game that has a status effect (what in the fucking world are you even talking about?) says pretty clearly that your opinion does not matter at all here. You're just spreading inaccuracies in the hopes of trashing something. Spreading lies doesn't help your case, it just makes you look like an angry person out for revenge, no matter what the truth is. JK is a terrible person, you don't need to make up shit in order to make that case, there's plenty of actual things she's said you can use.

                            • Nakoichi [they/them]
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                              11 months ago

                              gee you really like citing fuckin fascists to defend an antisemite and a transphobe.

                              This is why we call zionism antisemitism. They will carry water for actual antisemites because for their little genocidal ethnostate to continue to exist they need antisemitism to scare people into moving to their colonizer project.

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                        • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
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                          11 months ago

                          It's quite racist (and antisemetic) to think that just because things look similar that they were intended to be the same thing. They're not.

                          smuglord "Oh, you think that this fantasy race that has many of the anti-semitic tropes of Jewish people might in fact be a reference to Jewish people? Well, you're the one who associates those features with Jewish people, not me. Just saying."

                          This is where the moronic "maybe the curtains are just blue" reddit-tier analysis of literature gets you - completely unable to see any kind of allegory or metaphor, especially when bigots say that, no, that person in that book totally isn't a racist caricature, it's just a person with those traits!

                          If I wrote a book about a fantasy world where I used lots of sexist stereotypes about women - that they're less intelligent; that they're inherently subservient to men; that they "belong in the kitchen"; that they should be "barefoot and pregnant"; etc, and without ever even making a critical judgement of those traits or showed that the men in that society are bad for maintaining this status quo, then I would rightfully be called a raging sexist by people. They would probably believe I was one of those tradcath, alt-right MGTOW incel people. If I turned around and said "Uh, it says a lot about liberals that they think these traits are stereotypically true of women! Maybe they're the real sexists, not conservatives?" then you would, hopefully (though I'm not so sure given your lack of sensitivity towards Jewish people) call me a total fucking dipshit.

                        • Cromalin [she/her]
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                          11 months ago

                          i don't know why i'm responding to this, but whatever. doing this all in one post, but i'm responding to both of yours, which is why this is so long. it's also long because i'm actually responding to the things you say, which isn't something you seem to know how to do

                          first things first, that substack you linked. many things wrong there. immediately, you're invoking 'i know a jewish person who says it's fine.' ok, on my end i know jewish people who think it is extremely not fine. in fact they were the ones who explained to me why the goblins in harry potter are problematic. second, having read the article it just blatantly lies in its base premise.

                          Goblins, the fantasy creature that has existed in various incarnations for centuries, may have initially been based on antisemitic stereotypes - short, big noses, greedy money-hoarders. Therefore, fantasy that depicts goblins (even if in a complex or sympathetic way that subverts some of the tropes) is automatically inherently antisemitic because goblins are representing Jews, and doing it in the most harmful stereotypical way possible. (note that I have yet to personally see this standard applied to a fantasy series other than HP)

                          this just isn't a claim anyone is making. the claims about harry potter are much more specific about that. there are antisemitic tropes in the water surrounding goblins, but jkr ramped that up dramatically. this author just breezes past the fact that the goblins are bankers which is a whole lot more specific than a generic greed! people don't say that shit about tolkien (as much, because people do rightly point out problematic elements in tolkien's goblins quite a bit if you don't ignore that to try and lie about how people are being mean to a bigoted billionaire) because tolkien goblins don't run the banks!!! this shit is so blatant it's unsurprising anyone trying to carry water for rowling has to just ignore it

                          she also claims that there's no actual child kidnapping in the game, and that if there was it would be fine because other fantasy stories contain bits where people kidnap children to use their blood. i'm pretty sure the first point is untrue, because i can find many references to the goblins wanting to use the main character (who is 15 years old, so firmly a child)'s blood for a ritual, but i haven't played the game and am not going to so i suppose it's possible everyone referencing this just made it up in some kind of mass hysteria for some reason. but crucially that second bit is such bullshit it doesn't matter. the problem is taking all these things together! when you have someone stealing a child's blood for a magic ritual that is not problematic or blood libel on its own, but it becomes so once you have it done by members of the greedy hook nosed race that run the banks and don't think it's possible to own property and prefer to eat raw bloody meat and stab the heroes in the back and have stars of david on the floors of their banks. that shit is antisemitic, a lot more so than the culture broadly already is.

                          similarly it isn't a pogrom when violence against goblins happens in other fantasy media because those goblins don't run the banks and aren't nearly as coded!!!!! what are you even fucking talking about!!!! anyways as you can see i read her whole piece and it was all wrong and poorly argued. next!


                          sorry this is so long it had to be split up anyways, despite my efforts. you're just too wrong to fit into the character limit!

                        • space_comrade [he/him]
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                          11 months ago

                          Maybe spend your energy on something else, you're giving her more mindspace than she is doing actual harm to the community.

                          Are you trans? If not then maybe shut the fuck up and listen when other trans people tell you what's harming them and what's not? Why do you think you even get a say in the matter?

                          And she's probably making very very little off of HL as a whole.

                          She's literally a billionaire what the fuck are you talking about.

                        • kristina [she/her]
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                          11 months ago

                          You still haven't addressed the fact that the game sends money to a rabid TERF of a billionaire who directly lobbies to harm trans people to the British government.

                          • snowe@programming.dev
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                            11 months ago

                            I literally did address that.

                            And she’s probably making very very little off of HL as a whole. Warner Brothers owns the majority of the copyrights around the HL universe, unless it’s theater or books, JK Rowling’s website even says so.

                            • kristina [she/her]
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                              11 months ago

                              You really dont see how its an issue that a billionaire is making 'a little' off of a franchise that then is funneled into TERF shit? Or that the brand's image is associated with TERF shit because of her relentless campaigning, an attempt at making TERF shit more mainstream? A thing that is working in Britain as rights are curtailed?

                              And I doubt she sold the rights to WB for 'a little'. In fact the most recent sale of the rights was for something like 3.8 billion USD

                        • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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                          11 months ago

                          "It's called the Campaign Against Antisemitism, surely it's an authority on antisemitism. I also go to the National Endowment for Democracy for my democracy news and the Foundation for Economic Education for etc."

                      • snowe@programming.dev
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                        11 months ago

                        And here's some reading from a Jewish person on the topic. You should really really give it a read. https://smrosenberg.substack.com/p/a-brief-analysis-of-hogwarts-legacys, though I understand not wanting to give substack a click (maybe you don't know about that though?).

                    • Kuori [she/her]
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                      11 months ago

                      don't "they" me, my pronouns are right in my name. using gender neutral pronouns for people who have non-neutral pronouns prominently displayed is soft transphobia

                    • kristina [she/her]
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                      11 months ago

                      look at what @Cromalin@hexbear.net said. https://hexbear.net/comment/4444298

                      i could give you a critical reading of a plot synopsis, but i think that wouldnt do much good here, cromalin's summary is correct. and for the record you have just talked with 3 trans people that agree that its a problem. in fact i havent met a single trans person (i know many hundreds of trans people) that thought it wasnt a problem.

      • SovietWaveGoddess [comrade/them, she/her]
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        11 months ago

        By existing it helps her transphobia. I don't care if it was a game purely about how awesome trans people are, it would still turn funds toward that fucking bitch

        but its not, and the games a shitty ubisoft open world only made to seem good through a bunch of losers Stockholm syndrome with a stupid children's series they can't fucking LET GO OF

      • Awoo [she/her]
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        11 months ago

        You're a transphobic clown that cares more about your Harry Potter treats than trans people. Stop pretending otherwise.