like as a physical property. i don't know any color-ology maybe there's a simple way to make me get it but
IT SEEMS like color depends entirely on BRIGHTNESS so an OBJECT can't have a fixed COLOR because BRIGHTNESS changes all the time!
like as a physical property. i don't know any color-ology maybe there's a simple way to make me get it but
IT SEEMS like color depends entirely on BRIGHTNESS so an OBJECT can't have a fixed COLOR because BRIGHTNESS changes all the time!
A lot of people in this thread are focusing on interpretation of colour as if it is an inherently concrete biological thing that is always the same for every single person and can not possibly be different except in the case of the various colourblind disorders where people's receptors receive things differently. But that's not true.
Colour is not just a product of light but also linguistics. The language we use to interpret colour actually affects the physical ability for us to see it. There are tribes that have different colour systems to us, and they can see colours that we physically can not see not because their eyes function biologically differently but because the language systems they use result in their brains interpreting the information in a completely different way to us.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xl7eh1
So to answer the question: Is colour real? That really depends on what language system you are applying to interpret it. Theoretically we could create a language without a colour system at all.
I don't think they see differently, they just don't differentiate pink and red, or maybe they do differentiate dark blue and light blue, like russians and italians
Did you watch it? Including the tests? They physically can't see differences between very obvious colours to us, and we can't see differences between extremely obvious colours to them. There's a lot more going on with colour than just a mechanical process from eyeball to picture.
whoa I didn't see that
This makes no damn sense.
First, when they show you the green squares full screen, the colors are way, way closer than they are when you see it on the TV monitor.
Second, like
There are tons of colors that fall into the same word category for me. I don't know fancy schmancy color words hardly at all. But I can tell the difference between 100 different blues if I'm asked to point it out.
I know people call green and blue the same color in a lot of languages, such as Japanese. But these people were literally racking their brains over which box was a different color. If it was linguistic you'd expect them to say "oh they're all BLEEN, but this one is a different shade of BLEEN"
but they can't even see it. And the color is way further off compared to the slightly different greens. Like objectively, a farther shade, with bigger differences in the light wavelengths.
There has to be some environmental stimulus causing colors to appear different as people grow up, or something. Like neurological training.
Either that, or there's a language barrier and they have a different philosophical concept of color, and they aren't asking the right question.
It's genuinely mindblowing shit.
Linguistics and language are seriously fucking powerful and I suspect they govern a lot more. Colour is just an interpretation of inputs, those inputs can be interpreted WILDLY different though depending on the computer you're interpreting them with.
It definitely throws the concept of colour into the philosophical realm in my opinion. A foundational cornerstone of how they see and interpret the world is fundamentally different. To me it makes me wonder what other possibilities there are if you changed other cornerstones. What else is just an interpretation of inputs? Smell? Taste? Hearing?
Presumably you could change the interpretation of the other senses via changing the base language interpretations of them. What if instead of high to low on the sound spectrum we instead had mixes of highs and lows together with some other spectrum being the basis of it? Would it produce the same result?
We probably can't answer that question because we can't actually run ethical experiments on the topic but it's pretty crazy.
Absolutely mind blowing.
The video makes me wonder if it's like, some environmental factor that independently affects the color perception and also the need for more color words.
Maybe when you look at certain colors a lot growing up, or care about certain colors, it'll stretch those wavelengths out in your mental color wheel, or something, and compress others.
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