• nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    This is a bit too hand wavy. The point I was implying was, if we need a bunch of money and a visa to find such a place it's not really a practical goal for most of us here.

      • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        I guess I wasn't clear, I'm pretty far beyond "can I visualize living a worthy life outside the core" and I'm into "is it at all feasible or practical to pursue this goal". I'm also pretty sure it's neither feasible nor practical.

        • aramettigo [none/use name]
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          3 years ago

          Feasible or practical from what perspective? People are motivated to move from the periphery to the core every day, with nothing. A tougher life change generally. Surely the reverse is possible if the only alternative is petty crime and rebellion.

          Don't want to come across as confrontational, it's fine if you don't want to discuss granular details or personal circumstances. I do think that it's possible for motivated people to move from the core to live a worthy life, fwiw.

            • aramettigo [none/use name]
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              3 years ago

              I don't know your life and you don't know mine. If we're both posting here let's assume some good faith.

              • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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                3 years ago

                It's a pretty easy assumption to make since I keep pointing out that it's expensive to move to another country and you keep brushing past it like cost is not something you really worry about.

                • aramettigo [none/use name]
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                  3 years ago

                  Not sure how productive this converstation can be at this stage.

                  It seems like you really want me to be bougie or something.

                  I'm saying that people make the more difficult + costly migration to the core all the time. We should be able to at least visualize doing the opposite if we believe the only alternative is a life of petty crimes and ineffective rebellion.

                  • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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                    3 years ago

                    The imperial core requires a constant influx of workers whose immigration status renders them helpless, so yes, it is relatively easy to come to the USA on a work visa. That is not how it works in reverse unless I guess you want to be a very bad english teacher in an asian country on a temporary visa (I do not), like I keep telling you. You have not woken me up to the idea of living in a different nation, I have been thinking about that since I was a teenager and have done the research. I keep telling you I lack the desirable profession and financial security to do this because that is the reality, I am not speculating, I have done my research. If you don't want to look bougie then maybe take it into consideration when people tell you their financial situation precludes them from doing a thing you seem to be speculating about.

                    edit: like seriously, there are calculators that give you a real quick rundown of your eligibility for immigration, I'm not eligible, please internalize this information before replying about just imagining the possibility or some other "the secret" shit

                    • aramettigo [none/use name]
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                      3 years ago

                      We're going in circles here.

                      You're saying that shit's fucked and there's nothing but a life of crimes and rebellion for those born in the core.

                      I'm saying that if you believe that, it should be enough motivation to move from the core and live a worthy life somewhere else. Anywhere else, surely.

                      You're saying that's not possible for you in particular because the immigration eligibilty webpage said no. Not a good attitude for someone preparing for a life of crimes and rebellion tbh.

                      I'm maintaining that it's absolutely possible to move from the core. People do it every day, without the desirable professions and financial security you seem to need. Maybe you have higher requirements than these people.

                      • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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                        3 years ago

                        You're making a lot of silly assumptions and your assertions are not worth regarding. This hasn't been a worthwhile engagement, but keep telling people to imagine being somewhere else or whatever "the secret" level shit you're on.

                        edit: also please be aware your assertions amount to bourgeois jacketing yourself, maybe make a new account to prevent anyone from realizing you're exempt from cost analysis

          • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            Have you ever looked into immigration requirements? They're almost universally pretty steep. If I was the kind of desired worker that grants eligible status to emigrate to most countries, I'd be financially comfortable here in the core. I'm also pretty sure being a white american moving to another country and trying to agitate or organize is pretty much "white savior" bullshit. The best thing we in the core can do to as far as I can tell is to contribute to weakening the oligarchy.

            • aramettigo [none/use name]
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              3 years ago

              It's generally possible for english speakers to move from the core and live a local standard of living. It isn't as pretty as we're used to but we're talking about a worthy alternative to a life of futile gestures. The saviour bullshit, to me, is the type of resistance that you seem to be advocating.

              Fully agree that people who choose to remain in the core should contribute to weakening the oligarchy. I don't think crimes + rebellion will weaken anything.