1997 America was probably at the height of its power. A bunch of freak shows calling themselves “neocons” just fucking make an entire ideology about conquering earth like a fucking Risk board game. Every single choice made since then has just made America more alienated and hated by other nations and even allies. It also allowed hilariously large windows of opportunity to what these men consider our adversaries.Russia, Iran, China are all significantly stronger then they were in 1997.

I get they all got wealthy as fuck, but America went from “end of history” to just another empire in less than a decade.

My belief is If you signed a PNAC document you should be stoned strike at your family home.

  • emizeko [they/them]
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    3 years ago

    reminds me of that thing by Brzezinski from like the 1990s where he's like "now as long as America doesn't fuck up and let Russia and China team up" or something similar, lemme find it

    Brzezinski pointed out in his book that "Potentially, the most dangerous scenario would be a grand coalition of China, Russia, and perhaps Iran, an 'antihegemonic' coalition united not by ideology but by complementary grievances." His warnings against US diplomacy have once again garnered much attention in recent days.

    The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives, 1997

    as quoted in https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202104/1220323.shtml

    • 40fartsaday [none/use name]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      I swear this country….. it’s like we see the rake but we think if we jump on it instead of stepping on it, the rake won’t smack us.

      • emizeko [they/them]
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        3 years ago

        the problems are bad but their causes... their causes are very good

  • CrimsonSage [any]
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    3 years ago

    From a geo-strategic perspective the idea of creating a compliant puppet in Iraq wasn't a bad idea. The problem is that the USA is constitutionally incapable of doing what would have been necessary to create a stable and friendly base in Iraq; and this is giving the benefit of the doubt and assuming that imposing statehood from the barrel of a gun ex nihilo was even possible, something which I don't believe for a second. The US government cant even ensure the health, safety, and material necessities of the entirety its own privileged racial cast, let alone some foreign brown people on the other side of the world.

    • toledosequel [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      They thought they would create another Japan but Keynes was long dead by the time their tentacles got to Iraq.

      • CrimsonSage [any]
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        3 years ago

        Not only that, but those ghouls actually believed their neoliberal coolaid. They literally thought that if they just sold off all state assets and put up a big sign that said "FREE MARKET" a fully functional western style state would just magic into existence with a wave of the invisible hand. Literally every state has been a deliberate construction of, or with the 100% concert, of a domestic ruling class. And this is ignoring whether you catually can create a genuine unified state from a thing that was itself an artificial creation of the British empire.

  • toledosequel [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    Late imperial China really fumbled the bag. They don't call it the century of humiliation for nothing.

  • ThomasMuentzner [he/him, comrade/them]
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    3 years ago

    I give you Portugal , good analogy..

    Battle of Alcácer Quibir

    it fits nearly 1 to 1 on a hubris level..

    Be 24 Year old King without an Heir .. Stupidly War in the Desert when your empire is the Sea... Die....

    Abd Al-Malik was succeeded as Sultan by his brother Ahmad al-Mansur, also known as Ahmed Addahbi, who conquered Timbuktu, Gao, and Jenne after defeating the Songhai Empire. The Moroccan army which invaded Songhai in 1590-91 was made up mostly of European captives, including a number of Portuguese taken prisoner at the battle of Alcácer Quibir.[18]

    For Portugal, the battle was an unmitigated disaster. Sebastian died on the battlefield along with most of the Portuguese nobility. The captive nobles were ransomed, nearly bankrupting Portugal. Despite the lack of a body, Sebastian was presumed dead, at the age of 24. In his piety, he had remained unmarried and had sired no heir. His aged, childless uncle Henry of Portugal, a Cardinal of the Roman church, succeeded to the throne as closest legitimate relative. His brief reign (1578–1580) was devoted to attempting to raise the crippling financial reparations demanded by the disastrous Morocco venture. After his death, legitimate claimants to the throne of the House of Aviz, which had ruled Portugal for 200 years, were defeated by a Castilian military invasion. Philip II of Spain, a maternal grandson of Manuel I of Portugal, and nearest male claimant (being an uncle of Sebastian I), invaded with an army of 40,000 men, defeating the troops of Anthony, Prior of Crato at the Battle of Alcântara and was crowned Philip I of Portugal by the Cortes of Tomar in 1581.

    Later, at the beginning of his reign, Philip II ordered that the mutilated remains said to be Sebastian's (and so recognized after the battle by some of his close companions),[citation needed] and still in North Africa, be returned to Portugal, where they were buried at the Jerónimos Monastery, in Lisbon. Portugal and its Empire were not de jure incorporated into the Spanish Empire, and remained as a separate realm of the Spanish Habsburgs until 1640 when it broke away through the Portuguese Restoration War.

    Partly in reaction to the national trauma of this disastrous defeat, a cult of 'Sebastianism' which portrayed the lost monarch in terms similar to King Arthur arose.[19] The legend of Portugal's "Once and Future King" who would some day return to save his nation has ebbed and flowed in Portuguese life ever since.[20]

  • Collatz_problem [comrade/them]
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    3 years ago

    In 1990s Russia was basically an American puppet, but Americans couldn't stop themselves from looting and destroying everything they could, and as a result became hated both by population and oligarchs.

  • SolidaritySplodarity [they/them]
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    3 years ago

    What's the "they should still die in a fire and everything they directly did is monstrous" version of critical support? After all, they also accelerated the death of the empire.

  • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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    3 years ago

    The Incas and Aztecs fucked things up pretty hard. Swinging from continent-spanning civilizations to civil war to population collapse inside a few decades completely changed the face of domestic politics in the region, opening it up to pillage and enslavement by European colonists.