That's a hard sell on this site but I agree with you. Punishment comes from a pure emotional space, it may make you feel better that some one evil is suffering but it does no good for society.
Even with the visceral hatred I have towards Bezos and the like killing them isn't morally right if they've already been permanently stripped of their power to hurt anyone.
If killing the bourgeoisie is the only way to strip them of their power I have no issues at all with it. I think the point trying to be made was if we some how manage to strip them of that power that executing them afterwords is morally wrong. And you're right I don't think that for the people at the peak of power anything other then the wall will stop them. But for your average reddit nazi removing their power is relatively easy (post revolution) and just cause they sought to bring suffering to the world doesn't mean we should do the same to them. They should be reeducated or sequestered from society but cause them pain or death serves no purpose other then a misguided scene of justice.
I guess since this is an internet forum your taking my legitimate question as being a "gotcha", but whatever it's all love on my side. If you reduce punishment to just inflicting harm for emotional retribution then yea of course it's going to be unjustifiable, but if your going to be as charitable as possible to the crowd who supports punishment, then you should consider the advocates who support things like comparatively "painless" executions in which the suffering is minimized. However, the advocates of punishment are to my knowledge not specifically defending capital punishment, but punishment in general, which would seem to include something like imprisonment which I'd assume you'd support over the execution of war criminals.
Overall, I think I tend to agree with what your saying as I don't think its right to cause unnecessary suffering out of some sense of justice, nor am I supportive of executions when one can be rendered powerless by other less harmful means. However, that doesn't stop me from thinking that your notion of punishment seems narrow, and while the critique your making may be applicable to certain forms of punishment, that it fails when considering less extreme forms of punishment which don't aim to bring about unnecessary harm unto the offender, but to merely render them harmless.
Was punishing Nazis for the Holocaust justifiable?
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That's a hard sell on this site but I agree with you. Punishment comes from a pure emotional space, it may make you feel better that some one evil is suffering but it does no good for society.
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Even with the visceral hatred I have towards Bezos and the like killing them isn't morally right if they've already been permanently stripped of their power to hurt anyone.
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If killing the bourgeoisie is the only way to strip them of their power I have no issues at all with it. I think the point trying to be made was if we some how manage to strip them of that power that executing them afterwords is morally wrong. And you're right I don't think that for the people at the peak of power anything other then the wall will stop them. But for your average reddit nazi removing their power is relatively easy (post revolution) and just cause they sought to bring suffering to the world doesn't mean we should do the same to them. They should be reeducated or sequestered from society but cause them pain or death serves no purpose other then a misguided scene of justice.
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I guess since this is an internet forum your taking my legitimate question as being a "gotcha", but whatever it's all love on my side. If you reduce punishment to just inflicting harm for emotional retribution then yea of course it's going to be unjustifiable, but if your going to be as charitable as possible to the crowd who supports punishment, then you should consider the advocates who support things like comparatively "painless" executions in which the suffering is minimized. However, the advocates of punishment are to my knowledge not specifically defending capital punishment, but punishment in general, which would seem to include something like imprisonment which I'd assume you'd support over the execution of war criminals.
Overall, I think I tend to agree with what your saying as I don't think its right to cause unnecessary suffering out of some sense of justice, nor am I supportive of executions when one can be rendered powerless by other less harmful means. However, that doesn't stop me from thinking that your notion of punishment seems narrow, and while the critique your making may be applicable to certain forms of punishment, that it fails when considering less extreme forms of punishment which don't aim to bring about unnecessary harm unto the offender, but to merely render them harmless.
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