but people asking to prove very basic things is rediculous. It's either sea-lioning or lazy, and it's impossible to tell the difference. I don't know if its also this chain, but identifying bad faith arguing is hard or impossible.

One, now you know how it feels to be a socialist on the internet.

Two, I'll have to do a deeper dive later, but taking a cursory look I don't think your source really backs up you point as much as you think it does. Also you act like this is a "basic thing" but I earlier rejected that framing, I think everyone acts like it's a basic thing cuz everyone just assumes it's true but I have my skepticisms based on my own experiences.

Three, if you're unable to remain civil in the face of minor jeer and sassiness, isn't it a bit hypocritical for you to tell us to remain civil in the face of people who are out right hostile and willfully ignorant?