Hundreds of thousands of brain cells in a dish are being taught to play Pong by responding to pulses of electricity – and can improve their performance more quickly than an AI can
Brain cells detached from a body aren't conscious beings though... Neither is a brain, obviously. There's nothing sapient about this. Just a few comrades shitposting about a better world in the face of manmade horrors beyond our comprehension. Chill a bit, climate collapse makes this all a bit of a moot point anyway.
It's a gestalt composed of myriad human sensory inputs, long term growth and development, human sociality, etc. I think you're kind of having the ole stem cell response about this brain cell thing. Consciousness is processed through the brain, but consciousness alone isn't even particularly interesting. Unless you're :im-vegan: then you accept a lot of the enslavement of consciousness in daily life. I think your issue is the idea of enslaving sapience for computing power, and on those terms I'd agree with you. But again, that's a very far cry from anything anyone here has been talking about.
Anyone with a job is also being enslaved for their computational powers by evil capitalists. That's just literally using your brain at all for anything related to work.
Sapience should not be used as a ruler for morality
Sure, but I hope you can see that this isn't something everyone agrees on, or even is specific enough to have a debate about without having some broader moral framework. And even then, again, it's not even clear if we're discussing conscious human minds. I really don't think we are.
Yeah, a sane society would absolutely be considering this a lot more than just the fever dreams of whatever neoliberal scientists and lizard people capitalists think sounds cool.
Brain cells detached from a body aren't conscious beings though... Neither is a brain, obviously. There's nothing sapient about this. Just a few comrades shitposting about a better world in the face of manmade horrors beyond our comprehension. Chill a bit, climate collapse makes this all a bit of a moot point anyway.
where do you think consciousness is, then
It's a gestalt composed of myriad human sensory inputs, long term growth and development, human sociality, etc. I think you're kind of having the ole stem cell response about this brain cell thing. Consciousness is processed through the brain, but consciousness alone isn't even particularly interesting. Unless you're :im-vegan: then you accept a lot of the enslavement of consciousness in daily life. I think your issue is the idea of enslaving sapience for computing power, and on those terms I'd agree with you. But again, that's a very far cry from anything anyone here has been talking about.
Anyone with a job is also being enslaved for their computational powers by evil capitalists. That's just literally using your brain at all for anything related to work.
I am :im-vegan: though
We absolutely should not "accept the enslavement of consciousness in daily life". Fuck that
Sapience should not be used as a ruler for morality
Sure, but I hope you can see that this isn't something everyone agrees on, or even is specific enough to have a debate about without having some broader moral framework. And even then, again, it's not even clear if we're discussing conscious human minds. I really don't think we are.
I think the ambiguity is enough to make it something that would be banned in a sane society until we learn more
abortion isn't as ambiguous, for instance, so that's fine
Yeah, a sane society would absolutely be considering this a lot more than just the fever dreams of whatever neoliberal scientists and lizard people capitalists think sounds cool.
The consciousness is stored in the balls