Hello users of Hexbear, we wanted to do a federation check-in.
So far these are the instances in question but please use this post as a suggestion for other instances to either federate with or defederate from or to comment your thoughts on federation in general.
kbin.social / fedia.io
Please comment to vote:
indicates you want to federate with all the instances listed above
indicates you want to defederate with all the instances listed above
indicates you would like to defederate with some and federate with others (please include what instances you want for each)
Here are some relevant posts/comments:
https://hexbear.net/comment/4515862
https://hexbear.net/comment/4510892
(Nath is an aussie.zone admin)
https://hexbear.net/post/1592684
https://hexbear.net/post/369410
(we would selectively not federate with their /c/196 community)
kbin.social and fedia.io are kbin and mbin respectively which is very similar but also distinct from lemmy. These are the two largest instances but we may look to add more in the future. There is an issue with those two as they deanonymize the modlog and allow users to inspect the upvotes for a post/comment. If users vote to federate with kbin/mbin instances and we experience moderator harassment they will be defederated from immediately.
My personal opinion follows:
I think that lemm.ee primary worth is the 1.7k daily active users.
programming.dev has active programming communities
aussie.zone has a lot of australia specific communities
lemmy.blahaj.zone has specific queer communities
kbin.social and fedia.io value is from userbase
https://the-federation.info/platform/184
https://the-federation.info/platform/290
https://the-federation.info/platform/73
hexbear is 1.75k users per month compared to .ee 3.6k and kbin.social 4.6k
Removed kbin and mbin due to moderation / user self-deletion federation problems
Why the fuck would we federated with blahaj again? For what possible reason?
The people of NATO yearn for our content
It will be a day and people will whine about how fucking terrible the posts are. Like last time.
We have a lot more emoji than last time, but unlike last time, our emoji scale correctly on federated instances, so we won't get any complaints about oversized emoji
I still remember getting one of those messages lol
I understand the impulse to try and pull two rather queer instances together. But I don't understand anyone saying it's gotten better over there or they're trying to clean up.
I check there from time to time, and I'd say it's worse than r/196 at this point. It's more distilled. Like the people who stuck it out are even more redscare-brained than the regular crowd.
When I do see some reasonable stuff there, it's the same two hexbear alts and one is Carcosa. Then of course they're weird with those two in replies.
It's well intentioned to want to bring the two communities together, but it's unrealistic and will probably just deepen divides.
I got the idea that Ada wouldn't remove 196 mods specifically, who attacked our admins and defended chasers. If she is not hesitant to remove reactionary mods of other communities, federating could maybe be worth it
Tbh they're not any worse than instances we're already federated with, and if anything they at least seem to take transphobia more seriously than the others.
I got banned from one of their comms for briefly mentioning transmisogyny, so they don't really care about trans women
Maybe its that particular mod? But yeah ig then the admins shouldn't let them be a mod in the first place.
Ig doing a bit better than badly moderated instances necessarily mean doing it well.
We literally defederated over the bigotry
The main reason we defedded from them is that they allowed chasers to post openly transphobic stuff along the lines of
Spoiler
"trans men shouldn't get top surgery because i like boobs"
their userbase defended transphobia because it was directed at us and we (our trans posters) aren't really trans. that happened before the defed and again recently. it speaks to the kind of userbase they've attracted - not to mention the chaser DMs.
We do not federate with fascist instances.
From OP:
With 196 out of the way, there's several good communities there that we lost in the defed
!blahaj@lemmy.blahaj.zone
!colombia@lemmy.blahaj.zone
!egg_irl@lemmy.blahaj.zone
!ftm@lemmy.blahaj.zone
!gamedev@lemmy.blahaj.zone
!lgbtq_plus@lemmy.blahaj.zone
!mtf@lemmy.blahaj.zone
!nonbinary@lemmy.blahaj.zone
!pointlesslygendered@lemmy.blahaj.zone
!socialanxiety@lemmy.blahaj.zone
!transprogrammer@lemmy.blahaj.zone
!ttrpgs@lemmy.blahaj.zone
!unixsocks@lemmy.blahaj.zone
It is still the same admin and the same userbase
True
Not so much, /c/196 has 24 times as many users as the second most popular community, /c/mtf. See their top 10 communities:
Pointing out that 90% of the user base of the instance are members of the problem comm is the opposite of an argument in favor of federation
95%
I made a post the other day asking Hexbears to tone down their AES rhetoric so we have more room to interact with the other instances and like 99% of the responses were unequivocally no.
I think the answer is very clear here.
based hexbear united against shit ideas
What's the benefit to doing this though? Tailism is bad and only invites more shitlibs and state department devotees into our space
I will never tone down my communism posting. Uncritical support to the DPRK
To hear incorrect views without rebutting them and even to hear counter-revolutionary remarks without reporting them, but instead to take them calmly as if nothing had happened. This is a sixth type [of liberalism].