Especially when online leftists throw around "idealism" as a meaningless label to dismiss ideas, and claim to be "materialists" themselves. Same vibes as "facts don't care about your feeling." They actually don't even use the correct definition of the word, using it to mean either idealists as in naive and unrealistic, or as in driven by ideals(yeah Im driven by material only, no ideas).
Engels was the first one who proposed the two camps of idealism and materialism. Later the vulgar "dialectical materialism" of Stalin turned this into a rigid division and unfortunately it caught on. In the end, intelligent idealism is still better than dumb materialism.
EDIT: This post actually shows how hopeless some self proclaimed leftists are, completely ignorant about PHILOSOPHY of all things. Is it really too much to ask to read a single page of Marx, and not parrot some other reactionary philosopher? Absolutely pathetic.
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Who the fuck is driven by only ideals? Didn't you just propose the dumbest idealism of all? That human beings could possibly be driven exclusively by "ideals". Go read a book lmao, the idealism marx and engels discussed has doesn't even have anything to do with "driven by ideals", it is about philosophies that elevates human subjectivity above the material world
Locking this thread because of your needless aggression and toxicity throughout. Consider this a warning. Insulting everyone's intelligence is not how you have a discussion.