a lot of people have fancy pants explanations for it but it's literally just which colors you use on your instagram pictures
there's a more general aesthetic that deals with things like presentation or mannerisms, but the people in this twitter convo are talking specifically about posting
Also I've had a pet hypothesis for a while that American society doesn't have widespread music subcultures anymore and so posting aesthetic subculture has started to present itself as a replacement. Ask me more.
Also I’ve had a pet hypothesis for a while that American society doesn’t have widespread music subcultures anymore and so posting aesthetic subculture has started to present itself as a replacement. Ask me more.
i mean subculture isn't really dead. there's still scenes both on and offline. they're just more fragmented, not as big, and not as symbiotic with what would once have been considered the "mainstream" culture.
yeah I exaggerate when I say dead, what I mean is something more like music subculture is no longer tightly linked with an everyday person's fashion sense and how they perceive of themselves, which used to be 90% of people
now being into music is itself the subculture and being into specific genres and wearing the clothes is a sub-subculture
Sure, I don't write essays so much anymore and this is all from memory so if I make any mistakes or say something problematic just say something. It's also not too terribly worked out or researched, just a thing I've been rolling around in my head for a few years. Just think about it used to be more common to look at a person and know exactly what type of music they liked.
spoiler tag for long thing
My thesis here is that music subcultures are the same thing as consumer identities and changing forms of musical consumption changed how the subcultures presented themselves. So, music subculture in the USA began in earnest in the 1920s and into the 30s, which was around when A) radio broadcasts began as a commercial entity and B) when nightclubs began to be a thing again. Nighclubs were a thing in the middle 19th century, but really only around NYC and surrounding areas. The revival in NYC built clubs that lasted all the way up until covid killed them, like the 21 Club and Copacobana. With the explosion of both new media and areas dedicated to the rapidly diversifying clientele base, there was a rush to promote specific musical interests to certain demographics.
Now, this was inextricably linked to racial segregation, homophobia, misogyny, a lot of American social ills. So, the venues had to diversify to promote to specific interests. There were Jazz clubs like the Cotton Club in Harlem. Gay folk would have masquerade balls in Harlem too. Cis, straight white people had honkey-tonk or church hymns and would freak the fuck out if they found out their daughter was a flapper. Musical subculture at this point was starting to become what it would eventually become, which is both an outlet for expression of particular identity and an aesthetic consumption habit. What records you buy, the types of clothes you wear, the language you use, the drugs you have or don't have access to, and the people you congregate with. Music subcultures became little societies onto themselves
This would get more intense over the next few decades, reaching fevered heights once rock music and hippies became a thing. Jimi Hendrix, the Beatles, the Who, they weren't just musicians playing music, they were outlets of political expression made manifest. To their adherents at least, materially speaking it was still just a consumption habit and an expression of individual identity. A way to dress, a set of words to say, places that you'd congregate.
While the content of the subcultures would ebb and flow, die out, revive, or mutate, etc over the successive decades, the actual things themselves wouldn't change. Hippies mostly died out, disco rose up, motown died, heavy metal rose, country music goes from being an ill-defined conglomerate of folk tunes to a laser focused expression of "white people music." (i'll get to country music later)
This is where it gets really anecdotal and I haven't hammered out the theory exactly yet. So that gets us up to nearly today, maybe around 2010 or slightly earlier is when I'd pinpoint music subculture dying out. If you put a gun to my head I'd say the invention of the iPod was what killed it. Musical subculture is no longer about congregating in a certain place or buying certain physical totems. Music is an algorithm now where your individual input is vastly limited now. It doesn't really matter how you're dressed or what store you visit when the music is on YouTube, or it's part of a pre-generated playlist on Spotify. The individual musicians and songs are no longer part of what most people in general go for. People now go at it more casually, finding a playlist based on vague genre that they enjoy, then play that. There's so much choice and options now that it's hard to be a die hard fan of just one specific style or another.
The product is the app, the website, or the playlist. It's not the location or the cassette/vinyl/CD. It's the place where you get it all. That right there doesn't generate subculture in the same way.
What does generate subculture now is posting styles and social media influencers. People have their favorite podcasts, streamers, and motivational instagram accounts. Rather than being a passive participant just listening to music and buying the t-shirts, now more people feel drawn in to being social media subcultures instead of necessarily part of a music subculture.
Country music however has maintained a pretty tight grip on its own subculture, my pet hypothesis there being because modern country music isn't so much a music genre but more generally a conservative political project to spread propaganda that white culture is a real thing, not just a quickly cobbled together justification for white supremacy. Country music lives and breathes upon spreading a myth of proud American Protestant white people living in utopia based on simple family values and good honest living. Despite many country artists themselves being millionaires riding around in private jets, they still present as simple blue collar folk full of charming southern wisdom. Country music will remain a musical subculture so long as it remains part of the project of white supremacy. You'll notice black country artists often get shuffled to the much less precise "folk" category.
Anyway so that's my thing, sorry if I ranted your ears off
Wtf even is aesthetic and why do people make such a fuss over it? My aesthetic is "barely holding it together" and it's my true authentic self
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a lot of people have fancy pants explanations for it but it's literally just which colors you use on your instagram pictures
there's a more general aesthetic that deals with things like presentation or mannerisms, but the people in this twitter convo are talking specifically about posting
Also I've had a pet hypothesis for a while that American society doesn't have widespread music subcultures anymore and so posting aesthetic subculture has started to present itself as a replacement. Ask me more.
no need to elaborate i already agree
corollary though: country music retains a music subculture because it's inextricably linked to white supremacist political projects now
i mean subculture isn't really dead. there's still scenes both on and offline. they're just more fragmented, not as big, and not as symbiotic with what would once have been considered the "mainstream" culture.
yeah I exaggerate when I say dead, what I mean is something more like music subculture is no longer tightly linked with an everyday person's fashion sense and how they perceive of themselves, which used to be 90% of people
now being into music is itself the subculture and being into specific genres and wearing the clothes is a sub-subculture
Intriguing. Tell me more.
Sure, I don't write essays so much anymore and this is all from memory so if I make any mistakes or say something problematic just say something. It's also not too terribly worked out or researched, just a thing I've been rolling around in my head for a few years. Just think about it used to be more common to look at a person and know exactly what type of music they liked.
spoiler tag for long thing
My thesis here is that music subcultures are the same thing as consumer identities and changing forms of musical consumption changed how the subcultures presented themselves. So, music subculture in the USA began in earnest in the 1920s and into the 30s, which was around when A) radio broadcasts began as a commercial entity and B) when nightclubs began to be a thing again. Nighclubs were a thing in the middle 19th century, but really only around NYC and surrounding areas. The revival in NYC built clubs that lasted all the way up until covid killed them, like the 21 Club and Copacobana. With the explosion of both new media and areas dedicated to the rapidly diversifying clientele base, there was a rush to promote specific musical interests to certain demographics.
Now, this was inextricably linked to racial segregation, homophobia, misogyny, a lot of American social ills. So, the venues had to diversify to promote to specific interests. There were Jazz clubs like the Cotton Club in Harlem. Gay folk would have masquerade balls in Harlem too. Cis, straight white people had honkey-tonk or church hymns and would freak the fuck out if they found out their daughter was a flapper. Musical subculture at this point was starting to become what it would eventually become, which is both an outlet for expression of particular identity and an aesthetic consumption habit. What records you buy, the types of clothes you wear, the language you use, the drugs you have or don't have access to, and the people you congregate with. Music subcultures became little societies onto themselves
This would get more intense over the next few decades, reaching fevered heights once rock music and hippies became a thing. Jimi Hendrix, the Beatles, the Who, they weren't just musicians playing music, they were outlets of political expression made manifest. To their adherents at least, materially speaking it was still just a consumption habit and an expression of individual identity. A way to dress, a set of words to say, places that you'd congregate.
While the content of the subcultures would ebb and flow, die out, revive, or mutate, etc over the successive decades, the actual things themselves wouldn't change. Hippies mostly died out, disco rose up, motown died, heavy metal rose, country music goes from being an ill-defined conglomerate of folk tunes to a laser focused expression of "white people music." (i'll get to country music later)
This is where it gets really anecdotal and I haven't hammered out the theory exactly yet. So that gets us up to nearly today, maybe around 2010 or slightly earlier is when I'd pinpoint music subculture dying out. If you put a gun to my head I'd say the invention of the iPod was what killed it. Musical subculture is no longer about congregating in a certain place or buying certain physical totems. Music is an algorithm now where your individual input is vastly limited now. It doesn't really matter how you're dressed or what store you visit when the music is on YouTube, or it's part of a pre-generated playlist on Spotify. The individual musicians and songs are no longer part of what most people in general go for. People now go at it more casually, finding a playlist based on vague genre that they enjoy, then play that. There's so much choice and options now that it's hard to be a die hard fan of just one specific style or another.
The product is the app, the website, or the playlist. It's not the location or the cassette/vinyl/CD. It's the place where you get it all. That right there doesn't generate subculture in the same way.
What does generate subculture now is posting styles and social media influencers. People have their favorite podcasts, streamers, and motivational instagram accounts. Rather than being a passive participant just listening to music and buying the t-shirts, now more people feel drawn in to being social media subcultures instead of necessarily part of a music subculture.
Country music however has maintained a pretty tight grip on its own subculture, my pet hypothesis there being because modern country music isn't so much a music genre but more generally a conservative political project to spread propaganda that white culture is a real thing, not just a quickly cobbled together justification for white supremacy. Country music lives and breathes upon spreading a myth of proud American Protestant white people living in utopia based on simple family values and good honest living. Despite many country artists themselves being millionaires riding around in private jets, they still present as simple blue collar folk full of charming southern wisdom. Country music will remain a musical subculture so long as it remains part of the project of white supremacy. You'll notice black country artists often get shuffled to the much less precise "folk" category.
Anyway so that's my thing, sorry if I ranted your ears off
aesthetic is bourgeois decadence
only sometimes
philosophers have asked that question for thousands of years, and finally we have arrived at the answer: it's which tags you use on Insta.
It's not a coincidence that Ethics rhymes with aesthetics