99% of the time, Materialism means being driven by greed(material wealth), while idealism means being driven by moral principles(ideals). This set of definitions is NOT the one that philosophers used.

Marx and Engels discussed materialism and idealism in philosophy, which is a completely different thing. Even in philosophy, both terms are extremely vague and are not enough to mean anything on their own without pages upon pages of elaboration.

It's laughable how online leftists throw around these words without even knowing what they mean. No, calling something "idealist" is not a valid critique and saying "material conditions" instead of "reality" does not make your argument stronger. Read an actual book for once and never ever use those words again. Save them for serious writing of substance.

  • comi [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Again, where does society come from? I can’t seriously engage in philosophical arguments on unknown terrain, maybe you are subjective idealist, and I’m but a figment of your imagination

      • comi [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        So you are a stalinist :very-smart:

        You know, you can engage in good faith instead of feigning air of superiority, and disappearing into the mists

        • VoiceOfChina [none/use name]
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          3 years ago

          Yes, you can say I'm a Stalinist, but his dialectical materialism that was popularized in the soviet union was dogmatist garbage.

          • comi [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            Sure, the lad was prone to mechanical interpretation, instead of taking reality as it is, I wouldn’t call it all garbage though, maybe scientifically conservative/overinteprative, but history-wise fine.

            As well as starting point of your topic - calling liberals idealists is fine I feel, they think society is shaped by ideas and great leaders with those ideas

          • VoiceOfChina [none/use name]
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            3 years ago

            I‘ll put it this way, Stalin's dialectical materialism was a tool that was limited to the time and completed its historical mission of industrializing and defeating the nazis. Because of its nature as a tool, it is obsolete nowadays, unlike the philosophy of Marx.

            • Nakoichi [they/them]M
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              3 years ago

              Lmao Orthodox Marxist calling others dogmatic. This is a great bit please continue.