During Adenauer’s tenure he:
1- knowingly appointed multitudes of "former" nazis into government positions such as ministers, ambassadors, judges, police, secretaries, etc.
2- banned all socialists / communists from public service
3- outlawed the Communist Party of Germany (KPD), the Free German Youth organisation (FDJ), the Federation of Victims of Fascism (VVN) and the German-Soviet Friendship Society(DSFS)
4- passed a special amendment to the constitution (Ausfuhrungs-Gesetz zu Artikel 131 des Grundgesetzes) that gave all former nazis, apart from the few top culpable individuals, the right to return to their posts in the public service. This effectively ended West Germany’s pursuit of prosecuting Nazis.
5- remilitarized West Germany by having it join NATO.
6- opposed and prevented the reunification of Germany.
7- reinstated and continued the Nazi’s persecution of communists with arrests and imprisonment. By the mid-1960s, around 250,000 judicial investigations had been undertaken against suspected communists. Of these, around 10,000 were actually imprisoned.
8- extended this program to include socialists, those opposed to a remilitarisation of Germany, and members of organisations working to promote diplomatic ties with the GDR.
9- funded the Schnez-Truppe, an illegal clandestine paramilitary organisation formed by veterans of the Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS. Growing it from 2,000 members initially to at least 40,000 at its peak
These are just some highlights, there is so much more.
Denazification didn't actually happen in the west.
Concrete examples of this + sources in the comments.
In the 1950s more than 77% of all West German judges and justice ministry officials were "former" nazis, which is an even higher percentage than during the actual Third Reich itself:
https://archive.is/5xm6G
Between 1949 and the early 1970s, 90 of the 170 top ministry officials were former Nazi party members, and many had served as Holocaust-era judges who had handed down death sentences, said former justice minister Sabine Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger, who initiated the study in 2012.
jesus fucking christ
Meanwhile the GDR purged the absolute fuck out of anyone attached to the nazi government.
For more info, read page from 10 on here:
https://archive.org/details/StasiStateOrSocialistParadise
I love how people like to compare Operation Paperclip to Soviet use of Nazi scientists.
The difference is that the west appointed the Nazis head of NASA while the Soviets worked them to the bone in Siberia
The soviets literally locked them up and made them do science at gunpoint lol
:pit: :stalin-gun-1::stalin-gun-2: do my math homework nerd
Similar energy: that story about the soviet soldiers who made an SS officer play piano for them and then shot him after he eventually became to exhausted to keep going.
I know it was originally meant as anti-communist propaganda, but it’s still hilarious.
The difference is that the west appointed the Nazis head of NASA while the Soviets worked them to the bone in Siberia
hell, not just NASA, but NATO as well
which is an even higher percentage than during the actual Third Reich itself:
History is often stranger than fiction
Thanks!
Edit - in the 1950s, more than 70 per cent of West Germany's top judges also had former Nazi connections.
Between 1949 and the early 1970s, 90 of the 170 top ministry officials were former Nazi party members,
Some relevant excerpts from the book "Stasi State or Socialist Paradise? The German Democratic Republic and What Became of It" by John Green and Bruni De La Motte
West Germany vs The GDR:
Within weeks of the end of the war, the Soviet occupation forces encouraged the re-establishment of trade unions, cultural organisations and political parties. Already by July 1945, a Kulturbund (Cultural League for the Democratic renewal of Germany) was set up in the Soviet sector to assist with the re-opening of theatres, music venues and cinemas and to promote Germany's democratic cultural legacy as an antidote to Hitler's fascist de-culturalisation and xenophobia.
It took another three months before the formation of political parties and trade unions were permitted in the US sector, which also hindered the setting up of cultural organisations, fearing that they would rapidly become dominated by communists and leftist forces.
In the Soviet zone, which later became the GDR, there was a determined effort to eliminate Nazi ideology and to remove those who were either war criminals or top Nazi activists from all positions of power as stipulated in the Potsdam Agreement reached between the Allies in 1945.
Many of the guilty who had been implicated or had taken an active part in committing atrocities inflicted on Russia and Eastern Europe by the Nazis fled to the West before they could be brought to justice. There they were able to enjoy a comfortable and undisturbed life.
Adenauer‘s own words on being against German Reunification:
Even after it came about, the Soviet Union saw the creation of the GDR as a temporary measure with eventual reunification still the logical outcome. It actually put forward proposals for unification in 1952 but received a hefty 'no' for an answer from the West German Chancellor Konrad Adenauer.
He was an adamant opponent of unification under any circumstances other than under a capitalist system. He famously said that he would “rather have half of Germany completely than a whole Germany only halfway”
Adenauer said in 1954: “The best way to regain the German East is rearmament”. And secretly West Germany was re-armed with the help of the USA.
Source: https://archive.org/details/StasiStateOrSocialistParadise/page/n17/mode/2up
A comparison between the governments of The GDR vs West Germany:
The GDR:
Otto Grotowohl became the first prime minister of the GDR and an active proponent of a long-lasting peace settlement in Europe. He was the former leader of the Social Democratic Party (SPD) in the Soviet Zone of Occupation. He had been imprisoned by the Nazis several times.
Walter Ulbricht, became the first general secretary of the Socialist Unity Party (SED - formed by a merger between the Communist and the Social Democratic Parties in the Soviet Zone in 1946). He was a former joiner, and spent his years of exile in the USSR.
Ulbricht was replaced by Erich Honecker, a former roofer, who became party and state leader after Ulbricht. Honecker had been arrested by the Gestapo in 1935 and spent the following 10 years in a Nazi prison.
Wilhelm Pieck became the first president of the GDR. He had spent the Nazi period and war years in exile in the USSR together with Walter Ulbricht.
Albert Norden, a member of the SED Central Committee, was the son of a Rabbi and had been arrested for political activities during the Weimar Republic, escaping before the Nazis could arrest him, was to spend his exile years in the USA.
Herman Axen, a member of the Central Committee, came from a Jewish family and survived internment in both Auschwitz and Buchenwald.
Klaus Gysi, later Minister of Culture, also came from a Jewish family background and escaped the Nazis to spend his exile working with the resistance in France and Britain.
Markus Wolf, who became the GDR's head of counter espionage, came from a Jewish background. He was the son of the renowned playwright and medical doctor Friedrich Wolf . He was also in the Soviet Union during the Nazi period.
Rudolph Herrnstadt came from a Jewish family and spent the Nazi and war years in Soviet exile. He became the first chief editor of Neues Deutschland, the national daily newspaper of the SED.
Alexander Abusch, the first Minister of Culture, was born to a Jewish family in Cracow and spent the war years in French exile.
Hilde Benjamin, also from a Jewish background, became the GDR's first female minister and its second Minister of Justice. Under the Nazis she had been banned from practising law because of her Jewish background. She was the wife of Dr. Georg Benjamin (brother of the writer and cultural critic Walter Benjamin) who was murdered in Mauthausen concentration camp. She was instrumental in bringing in a whole raft of legislation favouring gender equality in the GDR.
West Germany:
In West Germany, Konrad Adenauer became the first post-war Chancellor. He was an arch-conservative, ardent Catholic and pre- war mayor of Cologne as well as President of the Prussian State Council. Before the war he had called for a coalition government with the Nazis, and although never a member of that party himself, he was certainly no anti-fascist.
His first post-war government was packed with other right-wing and Catholic figures as well as high-ranking former Nazis.
Hans Globke was Adenauer's personal advisor. He had been an active member of the Nazi party, and had served as chief legal advisor to the Office for Jewish Affairs in the Ministry of the Interior, the section headed by Adolf Eichmann that was responsible for the administrative logistics of the Holocaust. It was he who co-wrote the official annotation explaining the implementation of the race laws which legalised the discrimination against the Jews.
West Germany's second Chancellor Ludwig Erhard, the man credited with the country's post-war “economic miracle” and dubbed the “father of the social market economy” had previously occupied a leading position in the Nazi Reichsgruppe Industrie and the Institute for Industrial Research financed by the chemical conglomerate IG Farben that supplied Zyklon-B for the gas chambers.
Kurt Kiesinger, who followed Erhard as Chancellor in 1966, joined the Nazi Party in 1933, a few weeks after Hitler came to power. In 1940, he was employed in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs' radio propaganda department, rising to become deputy head from 1943 to 1945 and was liaison officer with Goebbels' Ministry of Propaganda.
Heinrich Lübke, who became President of the Federal Republic in 1959, was another controversial figure. His signature (which he disputed) was found on the building plans for a concentration camp. He was involved in the setting up of an aircraft factory in an underground chamber and, under his direction, barracks were built to house concentration camp inmates who worked as slave labourers. Lübke was also involved in setting up the army research station at Peenemunde (where the V2 rockets were developed under Werner von Braun) as building director of the Schlemp Group. From 1943-45 he was responsible for the employment of concentration camp inmates as slave labour.
Hans Seidel, Commander-in-Chief of the allied ground forces in Central Europe from 1957 to 1963, served in the Nazi army's French campaign of 1940 and became Chief of Staff of the military commander in France. In April 1944, Seidel was appointed Chief of Staff to Field Marshall Rommel.
Reinhard Gehlen, President of the BND, the West German secret service until 1968, had been chief of Hitler's military intelligence unit on the Eastern Front. He had been officially released from American captivity in 1946 and flown back to Germany, where he began his intelligence work once again by setting up an organization of former nazi intelligence officers.
Only when Willi Brandt, who first became Mayor of West Berlin (1957-66), became German Chancellor (1969-74), was there a genuine anti-fascist at the helm of the Federal Republic. He had spent the exile years in Norway working as a journalist and hiding from the Nazis. For many years he was ostracised by establishment figures in West Germany as a 'traitor', just as Marlene Dietrich and others who left Germany during the Hitler years were. It was perhaps not surprising that it was only under Brandt's Chancellorship that a thaw in East-West relations began to take place with a tentative rapprochement between the GDR and FRG (West Germany).
he got that last name because god was rushed putting his face together and only adenauer to do it
"Brown Book — War and Nazi Criminals in the Federal Republic: State, Economy, Administration, Army, Justice, Science" is an investigative journalist book written by Albert Norden in 1965. In this book Norden outlined that 1,800 politicians and other prominents in West Germany had in fact held prominent positions in Germany prior to 1945.
Scanned copy:
https://archive.org/details/brownbook1965/page/48/mode/2up
Altogether 1,800 West German persons and their past were covered: especially 15 Ministers and state secretaries, 100 admirals and generals, 828 judges or state lawyers and high law officers, 245 officials of the Foreign Office and of embassies and consulates in leading position, 297 high police officers and officers of the Verfassungsschutz.
The first copies of the brown book were seized in West Germany by judicial resolution.
amazing effortpost.
West Germany’s second Chancellor Ludwig Erhard, the man credited with the country’s post-war “economic miracle” and dubbed the “father of the social market economy” had previously occupied a leading position in the Nazi Reichsgruppe Industrie and the Institute for Industrial Research financed by the chemical conglomerate IG Farben that supplied Zyklon-B for the gas chambers.
Also, this so-called economic miracle, which the west attribute to privatization, austerity, and general pivot from denazification to economic recovery, was actually the result of the Marshall Plan giving West Germany more money to rebuild after WW2 than any other European nation. They gave the USSR peanuts, which the USSR declined anyway, preferring to rebuild on its own without injections of western capital. Despite having lost 25 million people and 1/3 of its industrial capacity, the USSR did not benefit from reparations after WW2. West Germany benefited tremendously despite being the key belligerent in the war.
Denazification didn’t actually happen in the west.
I find America's deliberate failure to de-nazify West Germany suspiciously similar to its failure to carry out radical reconstruction in the South after the civil war.
Goddamn, that is also blatant. Reading into this further and when Adenauer discovered this clandestine militia of nazis still existed and was even growing, he ordered the West German government to begin outright funding them.
Edit: I’ve gone ahead and added a bullet about it to the post. Thank you for commenting with this.
:solidarity: you're welcome and thank you especially for making this post as it sums up a lot of things that have been bothering me lately about the post WW2 world order
Relevant, and heartwarming:
But as Beate Klarsfeld was passing behind West Germany’s chancellor, Kurt Georg Kiesinger, she stopped and shouted, “Nazi!” “He turned round,” she recalls. “Knew exactly who I was.” Then she slapped the side of his face — a slap that helped change Germany.
https://www.ft.com/content/00b28c2e-e09a-11e8-8e70-5e22a430c1ad https://www.dw.com/en/the-nazi-hunters-how-a-slap-in-the-face-brought-about-justice/a-57464177
Assaulting nazis is never bad
~~~ :fidel-bat: ~~~
it's always morally correct.
:fash-bash:
:the-more-you-know:
:nazi-punching:
East German (GDR) map of West German ambassadors with ties to Nazi Germany, 1962:
https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/ySF8KXv9cl.jpg
Basically a map of NATO / US involvement during that time period.
This was published in the Democratic German Report in 1962, an English language newsletter put together by a defector from the UK to the GDR (East Germany) and published in the UK.
Article from WaPo archives on declassified CIA docs On Dealings With Ex-Nazis: https://archive.is/KuXrp
I'll dig around for additional details, that's just one I had on hand.
Scan of the book "Stasi State or Socialist Paradise? The German Democratic Republic and What Became of It" by John Green and Bruni De La Motte
https://archive.org/details/StasiStateOrSocialistParadise/page/n17/mode/2up
That fucking bastard, those fucking bastards.
Thank you for the sources and recommendations.
You’re welcome. Important to remember that the US knew all of this was occurring and they supported it.
The GDR is proof that this is not the way “things had to be” and so the west has spent the last half of a century attempting to distort the GDR’s achievements.
I almost took a "postwar germany" history class this semester. I decided against it and then dropped out after a few weeks anyways. I wonder if this would have come up.
For obvious reasons, that would heavily depend on the ideology of your professor.
Here's a link to a documentary I saw recommended, but haven't watched yet. It's apparently about the german capitalists that helped build the nazi party and got away without major consequences:
https://youtu.be/oyJTv_qLqsI
Curious if anyone here has seen this already and what they thought of it.
Video description:
Joint stock company "Friedrich Krupp" - a private forge of the German military machine. What the company did during the Weimar Republic. How Gustav Krupp and other Ruhr magnates helped the Nazis seize power. What is the corporate state and what economic policies were carried out by the Nazis. Business, the Third Reich, and preparations for war - when the Second world war really began. As Krupp's men plundered Europe. What was happening in private concentration camps during the war and how they differed from SS camps. What punishment was given to criminals.
Fun fact: That’s because he was a serial killer.
:the-more-you-know:
As much as :reddit-logo: stans for that movie for the worst reasons, Idiocracy had this over the present world: in the setting, "the UN" successfully UN-nazi'd the world forever. They knew better than the bazinga brains that nazis should not be allowed to exist.
The only way to have ensured that west Germany never reinstated former Nazi's into political power would have been to mass execute every single soldier/judge/politician and lawyer in the country. Which they should have. Nazi's are irredemable. Every German with any level of power or influence was complicit. In order to make sure the purge was complete the number of Germans executed after the war should have been on par with the number of people killed during the Holocaust
The only way to have ensured that west Germany never reinstated former Nazi’s into political power would have been to mass execute every single soldier/judge/politician and lawyer in the country
False. Compare the denazification efforts of West Germany vs The GDR.
Nazi’s are irredemable. Every German with any level of power or influence was complicit
We agree on this part.
the number of Germans executed after the war should have been on par with the number of people killed during the Holocaust
Oh you’re a troll. Okay.
Maybe Im overestimating the number of nazis in west germany?
Either that or you’re underestimating the total number of those who were murdered during the Holocaust.
Regardless, the numbers don’t line up. The point is not collective punishment. The point is routing out fascism so it doesn’t come back, which it now has throughout the west.
Although I guess you can’t say something has returned if it never really left.
Edit: clever edit from this one. Remember to quote trolls you’re responding to, folks.
The point is not collective punishment. The point is routing out fascism so it doesn’t come back, which it now has throughout the west.
It’s the difference between weeding a garden that’s been unattended for a while and just setting fire to the whole thing. Good post, comrade
