Robert Moses is literally smarter than you.

  • 420sixtynine [any,comrade/them]
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    3 years ago

    I also have watched the Franklin series on youtube, listened to WTYP, and played both mini motorways and mini metro so I think I know what I'm talking about here

  • Quimby [any, any]
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    3 years ago

    @wtypstanaccount04 , we've got a sad, lonely wrecker. repeat, there's a person with nothing better to do than come to an extraordinarily niche community of irony-poisoned millennial nihilists and complain about the relative quality of our shitposts. this is not a drill.

  • Grownbravy [they/them]
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    3 years ago

    Having driven on roads designed by Robert Moses, I will personally shit on his grave

  • Quimby [any, any]
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    3 years ago

    See, that's the beauty of arguing against progress. You point to what's already happened and say "see, the people behind this clearly achieved the best possible outcome! and if they weren't the best people, then they wouldn't have been the ones doing it."

    It's a tautology, and it's the same argument that's used to justify CEO compensation.

    I think a golden retriever would perform similarly to most of our CEOs, if not better. I have lots of arguments for that, including studies showing that little to any of a company's success is attributable to the CEO, the logic that one person simply doesn't make a difference in a company of tens of thousands, and so on.

    The argument against comes down to "if that were true, it would already have been tried! so we don't need to try it, because we know it's not true!"

    Which, again, is a tautology. And it's the same nonsense you're spouting here. "Robert Moses must have been smart. After all, he was chosen to make big important decisions. If they weren't good decisions, he wouldn't have been chosen! Who are we to criticize someone so important? So what if we have facts, and data, and empirical evidence that he was a terrible person with bad ideas? He was rich! How stupid could he be!"

    • jabrd [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      My stoned ass thought this was an Elon musk copypasta about why trains are outdated and we need e-cars

      • Quimby [any, any]
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        3 years ago

        ugh, I wish I were that funny. no, this is just a stream of consciousness comment about how "if you're so smart, why aren't you in charge?" is a stupid thing to say.

    • jjarri [she/her]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      Cool, you shouldn't be allowed in the same position either. Someone should be but definitely not you.

      • Quimby [any, any]
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        3 years ago

        I actually have a PhD in urban planning from Stanford. which you can't disprove. so neener neener.

  • happybadger [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    If Robert Moses is smarter than me, why is he dead and I'm not?

  • RNAi [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Akchually, I earned my degree in urban engineering by playing Workers&Resources

  • TreadOnMe [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    Idk, most of the people I know who majored in urban planning, even getting masters degrees, have quit and gone to tech because they are literally not allowed to implement any of the empirically proven ideas on the urban landscape. All of those decisions are made by city councils who are completely beholden to private property developers, and as such, urbanization is sporadic, piece-meal, and not based on any real kind of planning. Easier just to make money in tech using your engineering degree than fight with private property developers. Pays more too.

    Hell, even a Robert Moses like project would be considered too radical for most modern day urban planning in the U.S.

  • gaycomputeruser [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    City skylines is a traffic engineering simulator and anyone that claims it has anything to do with urban planning hasn't touched the profession.

    • jjarri [she/her]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      Not only did you nerds take it but it also proved my point urban planning nerds are worse than debate nerds.

  • Ho_Chi_Chungus [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    :expert-shapiro: Uhhh, ackshyually, I've completed every mission in Tropico 6 on hard mode, so uhhh, I think I know how to do urban planning