Terms seem rather agreeable and a far sight better than any peace deal that would be signed today.
Why the fuck did they not sign this? It properly codifies security guarantees from the UNSC, only properly relinquishes Crimea, leaves the LNR/DNR up to diplomacy, and makes Russian an official language along with Ukraine (which captures the fact that some 34% of Ukrainians speak Russian).
Hundreds of thousands dead and wounded, millions fled from the country, Crimea still lost, Bakhmut lost, Avdiivka lost, and for what? To "prevent another war" despite more comprehensive security guarantees from the UNSC? To "bleed the Russians dry" despite being outproduced by the sheer industrial output of Soviet-era machinery in Russia? To "stand up for sovereignty" despite clearer and clearer signs of covert US intervention during and following Euromaidan?
What a fucking mess.
Why the fuck did they not sign this?
Boris Johnson (aka NATO) told them to die to the last Ukrainian instead. Literally "the west [wasn't] ready for the war to end".
I am sorry to have to tell you this, but history doesn't have a starting date as a concept.
The maidan protests were hugely important and is not just fake propaganda.
hugely important for the fascist hooligans and their CIA backers, yes.
You know what also would have saved lives, and reduced tensions?
Not expanding NATO.
NATO started expanding before putin was in power. In fact Joe Biden warned the US government that expanding NATO will naturally provoke Russia.
Yep NATO is famous for defensive wars like the Defense in Iraq, the defence in Afghanistan, the defence in Libya, the defence in Syria and all.
NATO has been the driving force in expanding NATO. Literally none would care if we didn't have to worry about that asshole western neighbor
What's the weather like in Moscow?
every time i see this i instinctively think its a bit. Surely there are not human beings this fucking deluded.
I mean, the US was stirring up shit on their doorstep for nearly a decade, backing a coup and then dangling NATO membership over the noses of the new puppet government. What did they expect to happen (p.s. they knew exactly what would happen, the US wanted a war)?
And I mean, if the US can start wars half way across the world to protect its borders and interests I don't think they can be too surprised if another power does the same thing in their own front yard.
Regardless, I find the NATO malding utterly delicious. US about to lose yet another war.
Favourite thing about this is that he literally admitted like 30 years ago that expanding NATO will provoke a reaction from Russia eventually and was against it before he got the MIC bribes. If they were so keen on expanding NATO then they should've let Russia into it when Yeltsin was in power and they could've had the entirety of eastern Europe in their fold but they just couldn't resist punishing the Russian people for trusting the west in the 80s.
What’s the weather like in Moscow?
Thanks for asking, it was around +10 degrees per Celsius this afternoon, which is quite warm for this time of the year. But there is a downside as there's melting snow everywhere.
You know what also would have saved lives, and reduced tensions? Not going to war in the first place, the fact is that Putte was the one to attack and start this whole shitshow means that Russia is in the wrong, not Ukraine.
This profound analysis is a real gem of modern Western thought!
Let's be clear: your claim is that no fighting occurred before Russia's invasion in 2022?
No? That is exactly why I didn't enter a date in my post...
Putte did attack Crimea in 2014, that is what I consider the start of the current conflict.
Putte? Is this some language thing or an infantile baby name a la Putler?
The roots of the conflict lie in the illegal dissolution of the Soviet Union
Putte is a Swedish name that is commonly used to talk down to a person, calling them small, it is similar to Putin, and I like insulting dickheads with imperial dreams.
As for the "illegal" dissolution of the Soviet Union, that is a different discussion and happened 22 years before the invasion of Crimea, and can't be used as an excuse for the invasion in any rational argument based in reality.
So it's both, got it.
It's not an excuse, it's a cause. It causes regional instability that eventually results in a civil war in 2013 that escalates further in 2022
The Red Army stopped the Holocaust and saved the world from fascism while the western powers were playing with their dicks in Africa. They only invaded France after it became clear that Soviet victory was inevitable in order to prevent Western Europe from being liberated from capitalism.
I don't smoke because it's bad for my lungs.
That said, I'll leave you with a quote from Thomas Mann,
To place Russian communism on the same moral level with Nazi fascism, because both are totalitarian, is, at best, superficial, in the worse case it is fascism. He who insists on this equality may be a democrat; in truth and in his heart, he is already a fascist, and will surely fight fascism with insincerity and appearance, but with complete hatred only communism.
you're sounding pretty totalitarian right now with how you're pretzel twisting words to try and fit your fascist agenda
You're wrong on two key points:
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USSR and Nazi Germany only made a nonaggression act after other Western countries did because Western powers purposefully did not invite the USSR. It was a way to try to protect Czechslovakia and Poland since the Westerns were simply giving up Central Europe to the Nazis. You can read more about it here.
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The famine in the USSR was not a genocide. That is Nazi propaganda. Read about it here.
The USSR entered Poland to protects its borders the day after every official fled and abandoned the country. There was no longer a Poland in any sense. The USSR is the one that liberated and reestablished Poland. How do you not know the basic facts of something you're talking about holy shit
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If Japan, South Korea or whoever suddenly had a Chinese backed coup and took control of US naval bases in their country, what do you think the US response would be?
Because that's exactly what happened in Ukraine. US backed coup, Russia moves in to Crimea to secure it's black sea naval base.
Is this the first time you are hearing this?
Here's another what if. What if Scotland voted for independence from the UK and became socialist or whatever. Do you think England wouldn't seize is nuclear submarine bases north of Glasgow?
How fucking baby brained are you?
You mean the conflict that literally started with the people of Donetsk and Luhansk taking up arms against a government that was explicitly shutting down their language and implementing outright oppressive laws against their ethnicities?
You are either a deeply unserious person or you're doing a very commited bit. I can't decide which one it is.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/cia-ukraine-intelligence-russia-war.html
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/15/john-mccain-ukraine-protests-support-just-cause
Imagine China/Russia does the same stuffs in Mexico and see how US react?
Because any state is an apparatus of violence? Regardless whether it is Ukraine or Russia?
Well how about this tankies:
Putin can have a peace deal when his army packs up and returns to ruZZia and lets the adults in Switzerland decide what peace is gonna be without including one of the belligerents in the conflict they're resolving.
