My girlfriends parents are white Afrikaners and are a bunch of chuds. I know they're wrong but I'd like to be educated on a greater depth than just racism and colonialism bad.

  • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    Ohh boy. Apartheid was more than just racism. It was an attempt to create a separate society between black and white people in which the white people basically used the native population as slaves in order to enjoy a first world lifestyle in Africa. It involved the removal of black people from their homes, if they lived in a "white area", and forcing them to live in essentially a separate country, called a Bantustan. POC were only allowed in "white areas" if they were working for a white person and had a "pass" that allowed them in these areas between certain times. By the end of the apartheid regime it even got so bad that certain doctors were considering/already experimenting (depending on who you believe) with using HIV/AIDS as a form of population control on BIPOC and had secret nuclear weapons as a form of deterrent should apartheid be challenged. Your average older white South African won't know about this, or will excuse it due to growing up insulated by apartheid propoganda. It was so bad that the apartheid government "forced" the NGK, the largest Afrikaner church group to my knowledge, to find passages in the Bible to say that black and white people were not equal. TV was only allowed in 1976, and only on the condition to spread apartheid propoganda, as the minister of communication at the time thought TV was "satanic". As for books/recommendations Nelson Mandela's autobiography, A long walk to freedom is a good starting point. The SA history website is pretty decent, here's their article on pass laws: https://www.sahistory.org.za/article/pass-laws-south-africa-1800-1994
    That website has plenty of other good articles as well on South African history. South Africa - The rise and fall of apartheid lays out the unfolding of events pretty accurately as well. New Histories of South Africa's Apartheid-Era Bantustans is an overview of the effects of the Bantustans policy on modern day South Africa and various intricacies therein. Joe Slovo's unfinished autobiography is also a good recommendation. Steve Biko - I Write What I Like is a collection of writings from an anti apartheid activist considered by many to be the founder of the black consiousness movement. This is a good article on the "Bantustans": https://www.sahistory.org.za/article/homelands

    Apartheid government deliberately trying to spread HIV AIDS: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/27/south-african-intelligence-officers-spread-aids-black-communities
    https://newafricanmagazine.com/18285/

    Here's an article from 1982 talking about the NGK's biblical justification for apartheid: https://www.csmonitor.com/1982/0813/081348.html

    • theboy [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Thank you for the effort post! I’ll definitely read into all this stuff.

    • Grace [she/her]
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      4 years ago

      Reminds me of Modern Israel. jfc

  • MirrorMadness [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    This isn't going to give you a comprehensive history, but it's very readable. A Human Being Died That Night is a nonfiction book about a woman interviewing one of the guys not forgiven by the Truth and Reconciliation Commission about his war crimes, upbringing, and worldview and also maybe she falls in love with him (you tell me). It also broadly outlines SA in the late 80s, early 90s, and how apartheid "fell," as well as the brutal occupation of Namibia by white SA government.

    Also extremely sorry that those are your partners parents. That could be rough.

    • theboy [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Yeah it’s pretty rough and they’re very racist. Also in Catholicism you have to take a saints name or someone with saintly qualities as part of Confirmation. I had mine when I was about 12 and took Mandela’s name. I told this to my girlfriend and she said to NEVER mention it to her parents lmao

      • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        Just a question, you don't have to answer if it's too revealing, but did your girlfriends parents leave South Africa around 1994, or do they still live in South Africa. Just asking because as a South African there was a huge amount of white people that left the country during that time because reasons (apartheid ending)

        • theboy [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          They left around the early 2000s but they left basically for the same reason. Luckily their kids aren’t as bad as them.

          Also can you explain/debunk this "white farmers" thing they always seem to go on about?

          • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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            4 years ago

            There were only 26 farm murders this year so far, so it's no where near a genocide or anything, just extremely violent crime. The murder rate among white people isn't any higher than that of the general population, it's just an unfortunate consequence of living in a country with lots of violent crime.
            https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2020-07-07-agricultural-sector-hit-by-26-farm-murders-2020-midyear-data-shows/

            This is a good article debunking the whole thing https://pulitzercenter.org/reporting/myth-white-genocide

      • MirrorMadness [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        holy shit dude. No matter what age you are, this means her parents went through the 90s, through Truth and Reconciliation, through Mandela and Tutu and still feel this way. They didn't "heal" with the country in the 90s. You should learn more about it to insulate against any of their propaganda, but I doubt any amount of educating you give to yourself will have any effect on them.

        • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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          4 years ago

          As a South African, a large number of white South Africans still feel this way, even subtlety. There's a reason the FF+ (neo apartheid party) got 5% of the vote in the last election, and it's not because of "cultural representation"

          • MirrorMadness [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            I can't say that's too surprising, especially with the Afrikaaners. It's just worrying for OP and the degree to which he can change any of those people's minds. I'm sure if they're still in SA they voted for FF+. Appreciate your perspective comrade

            • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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              4 years ago

              Yeah the huge amount of racism/homophobia/bigotry is why I have very few white friends as a white person in South Africa. From personal experience I don't think OP will be able to change their minds, the parents probably experienced the best time of their lives during apartheid because of the exploitation of others and due to this and the propaganda I don't think it's possible. But it's worth a shot anyway and I've managed to change the minds of a few brainwashed Afrikaner kids (I say kids but I mean young adults) on this issue so I wish OP the best of luck anyway. Anyway it's 2am where I'm at so good night comrade.

              • theboy [he/him]
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                4 years ago

                I’m not gonna change her parents minds bro. They’re in their 50s and they are dead set in this mentality. I made a few jokes about wanting to surf Cape Town and they told me NEVER to go there.