I've always gotten along better with women than men, especially as I started reaching maturity and realized just how much I didn't fit in and didn't like so much toxic masculinity nonsense and how I expressed how I felt ("tell it like it is" but with feelings other than bigotry and hatred, which is taboo to chuds) without knowing the "bro code" enough to realize how forbidden that was.
Most men I have known in my offline circles, particularly those that were around my age and that I grew up with, became chuds, liberals, or vampire-worshipping neoliberals. There's something very wrong with dudebro culture and I hate it.
I’ve always gotten along better with women than men, especially as I started reaching maturity and realized just how much I didn’t fit in and didn’t like so much toxic masculinity nonsense and how I expressed how I felt
This was me as well. I used to be concerned that I was just around women because of hope for sex but 1. It turns out I wasn't and 2. Non-men just gave off so much better and more accepting vibes, for lack of a better word.
My earliest memories where social groups were forming I was always outcast from the boys, and I still don't know exactly why, but either because I didn't give off toxicity or because I wasn't welcome and learned not to be toxic from those communities, I've just always felt much more comfortable outside most male spaces. They really are awful, I've been able to join in only when being on or rooting for the same team, where the sides are predetermined. Otherwise I'm at a loss at how to act and enjoy myself in those spaces.
And now as an adult, yeah, most old male friends I have have gone one of the routes you described and even when given the time of day are difficult to talk down from their terrible preconceived masculine notions.
I think I also get along well with non-men because I otherwise present like a normal man, but I'm not a complete predatory dick and strive to be caring, considerate, and listen an learn from them. I'm fine being a cis-man and hope to be and to demonstrate how one can be that and also not toxically masculine, as society defines it, which is probably appealing to those around me who only witness the norm. Go figure being a Pinko slots into that nicely.
Fucking so true. I'm a millennial so that whole friend zone trope is/was HUGE. I've also learned you can have crushes on friends but you can just not make it their problem and then that's pretty fine. Plus you learn there's a different type of love and affection for friends, I know there's a Greek word for it, and without that being something that is taught can get confused for the basal emotions men are allowed.
yeah there are some triggers for me on whether a guy is gonna be shitty to me or not. ive developed an instinct for it after so much abuse :yea:
like a random dude walking straight at me in a sort of confident way skeeves me out every fuckin time nowadays because they usually stride up and say something incredibly fucking dumb and sexist to me
I've always gotten along better with women than men, especially as I started reaching maturity and realized just how much I didn't fit in and didn't like so much toxic masculinity nonsense and how I expressed how I felt ("tell it like it is" but with feelings other than bigotry and hatred, which is taboo to chuds) without knowing the "bro code" enough to realize how forbidden that was.
Most men I have known in my offline circles, particularly those that were around my age and that I grew up with, became chuds, liberals, or vampire-worshipping neoliberals. There's something very wrong with dudebro culture and I hate it.
This was me as well. I used to be concerned that I was just around women because of hope for sex but 1. It turns out I wasn't and 2. Non-men just gave off so much better and more accepting vibes, for lack of a better word.
My earliest memories where social groups were forming I was always outcast from the boys, and I still don't know exactly why, but either because I didn't give off toxicity or because I wasn't welcome and learned not to be toxic from those communities, I've just always felt much more comfortable outside most male spaces. They really are awful, I've been able to join in only when being on or rooting for the same team, where the sides are predetermined. Otherwise I'm at a loss at how to act and enjoy myself in those spaces.
And now as an adult, yeah, most old male friends I have have gone one of the routes you described and even when given the time of day are difficult to talk down from their terrible preconceived masculine notions.
I think I also get along well with non-men because I otherwise present like a normal man, but I'm not a complete predatory dick and strive to be caring, considerate, and listen an learn from them. I'm fine being a cis-man and hope to be and to demonstrate how one can be that and also not toxically masculine, as society defines it, which is probably appealing to those around me who only witness the norm. Go figure being a Pinko slots into that nicely.
Even those :brainworms: tend to be installed in men from other men, and it sucks.
Even the idea of "friend zones" implies being friends with women is a bad thing. :kombucha-disgust:
Fucking so true. I'm a millennial so that whole friend zone trope is/was HUGE. I've also learned you can have crushes on friends but you can just not make it their problem and then that's pretty fine. Plus you learn there's a different type of love and affection for friends, I know there's a Greek word for it, and without that being something that is taught can get confused for the basal emotions men are allowed.
yeah there are some triggers for me on whether a guy is gonna be shitty to me or not. ive developed an instinct for it after so much abuse :yea:
like a random dude walking straight at me in a sort of confident way skeeves me out every fuckin time nowadays because they usually stride up and say something incredibly fucking dumb and sexist to me
you sound alright