Killing rapists is good and well but it doesn't do anything to stop new men from becoming rapists. It's the same reactive justice that we want to abolish the police for.
This is my standpoint as well, more or less. Though I've since realized this is a vent post (which was not apparent to me until Kristina's follow-up thread and some of the comments that came after, probably bc I am :blob-no-thoughts: ) and is thus an inappropriate place to make this argument.
humans aren't animals, they're conscious beings who choose to be malicious.
really feel no empathy for what youre saying, it borders on victim blaming. most men are trash right now and you expect me to be happy with that for the next hundred years for them to get their shit together? if they ever do? these shitty people are teaching their kids to be shitty as we speak.
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in fact saying this to someone thats been sexually assaulted at least a dozen times is very fucked up. like most the time guys would say they were sorry or whatever and then just do it again. they knew what they were doing
First and most importantly, I'm genuinely sorry for what you've suffered.
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I've been through similar experiences, though for the majority I was too young to ever push back enough to get to the insincere apology stage. By the time I hit my teens I had stopped thinking anything of it and it took years for me to really reckon with everything that had happened.
I know nothing I can say will make you feel even the slightest bit better, but I truly do feel for you. I'm sorry if it didn't come across that way.
Please let me know if you'd simply prefer not to continue this conversation.
That said, no, I don't expect you or indeed any decent person to be happy with the current state of affairs. But that's precisely why I think it's worth trying to eliminate the factors that led to where we are now. Even if the work rightfully belongs to the men in question, since their damage makes the prospect of spontaneous self-improvement rather unlikely I'd rather take a share and see it done if it means even one less person will go through what you or I have. I fully acknowledge that this is an unreasonable ask for some people, and I don't hold that against them in the slightest.
Once again, I apologize if I've caused you distress. It was not my intention.
men are good, our societal interpretations of masculinity and the expectations that stem from those interpretations are very, very bad.
men need saving just as much as the rest of us do.
Yup. As are the societal expectations for women. Gender roles under class society are always toxic and adverserial.
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Yeah except those who sexually assault women, of which there are many beyond counting.
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Killing rapists is good and well but it doesn't do anything to stop new men from becoming rapists. It's the same reactive justice that we want to abolish the police for.
This is my standpoint as well, more or less. Though I've since realized this is a vent post (which was not apparent to me until Kristina's follow-up thread and some of the comments that came after, probably bc I am :blob-no-thoughts: ) and is thus an inappropriate place to make this argument.
humans aren't animals, they're conscious beings who choose to be malicious.
really feel no empathy for what youre saying, it borders on victim blaming. most men are trash right now and you expect me to be happy with that for the next hundred years for them to get their shit together? if they ever do? these shitty people are teaching their kids to be shitty as we speak.
cw
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in fact saying this to someone thats been sexually assaulted at least a dozen times is very fucked up. like most the time guys would say they were sorry or whatever and then just do it again. they knew what they were doing
First and most importantly, I'm genuinely sorry for what you've suffered.
CW:
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I've been through similar experiences, though for the majority I was too young to ever push back enough to get to the insincere apology stage. By the time I hit my teens I had stopped thinking anything of it and it took years for me to really reckon with everything that had happened.
I know nothing I can say will make you feel even the slightest bit better, but I truly do feel for you. I'm sorry if it didn't come across that way.
Please let me know if you'd simply prefer not to continue this conversation.
That said, no, I don't expect you or indeed any decent person to be happy with the current state of affairs. But that's precisely why I think it's worth trying to eliminate the factors that led to where we are now. Even if the work rightfully belongs to the men in question, since their damage makes the prospect of spontaneous self-improvement rather unlikely I'd rather take a share and see it done if it means even one less person will go through what you or I have. I fully acknowledge that this is an unreasonable ask for some people, and I don't hold that against them in the slightest.
Once again, I apologize if I've caused you distress. It was not my intention.