Yes and no. Stoicism is useful as a method of practical philosophy, it helps quell existential angst. That said, while the particular stoic method advocated by Meditations is very civic minded, it also is very rich-guy oriented (which written by an emperor for the benefit of his successors, so duh) and therefore does not contain useful specific advice.
Most incel stoics completely ignore the civic aspects of stoicism. Marcus Aurelius indicates, for example, you should not trouble yourself with ending homelessness, but you can and should spend your time trying to end homelessness in your community. Or at least on your block, etc. The point is to create definable goals and achieve them, not worry about the big picture until you actually have the means to tackle it. However, it is again oriented towards the moral and honorable wealthy individual, not towards community action.
Marcus Aurelius indicates, for example, you should not trouble yourself with ending homelessness, but you can and should spend your time trying to end homelessness in your community. Or at least on your block, etc.
how'd that go marcus
for real there's something so ghoulish about aurelius, sitting in your opulence posting about how um actually slavery is wrong while you are emperor of fucking rome
To be fair to Aurelius, which we really needn't be, it would have been impossible for him to abolish slavery. He would have been killed and replaced almost immediately. He did do some stuff to lessen the burden of indentured servitude for Roman citizens though.
He's Roman Obama, but a) never actually spoke about these things in public, and b) absolutely and completely understood where his bread was buttered (with legionary and aristocratic support, which means having to support slavery).
The way he was really Roman Obama was how he treated the Senate, making them feel important even though he made all of the decisions.
Yes and no. Stoicism is useful as a method of practical philosophy, it helps quell existential angst. That said, while the particular stoic method advocated by Meditations is very civic minded, it also is very rich-guy oriented (which written by an emperor for the benefit of his successors, so duh) and therefore does not contain useful specific advice.
Most incel stoics completely ignore the civic aspects of stoicism. Marcus Aurelius indicates, for example, you should not trouble yourself with ending homelessness, but you can and should spend your time trying to end homelessness in your community. Or at least on your block, etc. The point is to create definable goals and achieve them, not worry about the big picture until you actually have the means to tackle it. However, it is again oriented towards the moral and honorable wealthy individual, not towards community action.
how'd that go marcus
for real there's something so ghoulish about aurelius, sitting in your opulence posting about how um actually slavery is wrong while you are emperor of fucking rome
literally roman obama
To be fair to Aurelius, which we really needn't be, it would have been impossible for him to abolish slavery. He would have been killed and replaced almost immediately. He did do some stuff to lessen the burden of indentured servitude for Roman citizens though.
He's Roman Obama, but a) never actually spoke about these things in public, and b) absolutely and completely understood where his bread was buttered (with legionary and aristocratic support, which means having to support slavery).
The way he was really Roman Obama was how he treated the Senate, making them feel important even though he made all of the decisions.
don't let the perfectus be the enemy of the bonus, this is the most important emperor of our lives