I don't understand how you could type omnicidal bikini bottom and not realise this is not a useful or particularly coherent line of questioning. When you take human rationality out of the question this becomes a topic a toddler could contribute to as well as anyone else and you might as well just imagine demon fairies that ride tigers into land battles for stones. Except that those tigers cannot fly into space and so they need to build space ships with math of which they need a rationality we can comprehend to do.
You uh, never explained how they are getting to space without math though. Which you kinda have to do if you want the idea that aliens that are complex life and not literally wizards are just eldrich beings incomprehensible to the mind to make any sort of sense. I understand if you find the fantasy of aliens being unthinkable weird compelling but even the fact that they are uh you know life already put them into a box. Its a massive box yes it still has walls. There are things that aliens have to be to not just be Supernatural creatures. Lenin did not see an alien but we have all seen life.
A bee colony that learned calculus isn’t going to be worrying about the limits of late-stage capitalism on its growth, for example.
You seem to be missing my point that if something can evolve to learn calculus it is no longer incomprehensible and it has to evolve specifically to be able to do that shrinking the box even more.
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Intelligence of that level has only been seen once in the entire lifespan of this planet of billions of species of every variety, suggesting that our type of intelligence is a very niche trait shrinking that box even more.
Yea, it seems our only disagreement right now is how much variation rather then the aliens being incomprehensible which is too subjective even if you were to use the earth as an example.
I don't understand how you could type omnicidal bikini bottom and not realise this is not a useful or particularly coherent line of questioning. When you take human rationality out of the question this becomes a topic a toddler could contribute to as well as anyone else and you might as well just imagine demon fairies that ride tigers into land battles for stones. Except that those tigers cannot fly into space and so they need to build space ships with math of which they need a rationality we can comprehend to do.
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You uh, never explained how they are getting to space without math though. Which you kinda have to do if you want the idea that aliens that are complex life and not literally wizards are just eldrich beings incomprehensible to the mind to make any sort of sense. I understand if you find the fantasy of aliens being unthinkable weird compelling but even the fact that they are uh you know life already put them into a box. Its a massive box yes it still has walls. There are things that aliens have to be to not just be Supernatural creatures. Lenin did not see an alien but we have all seen life.
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You seem to be missing my point that if something can evolve to learn calculus it is no longer incomprehensible and it has to evolve specifically to be able to do that shrinking the box even more.
Edit: Intelligence of that level has only been seen once in the entire lifespan of this planet of billions of species of every variety, suggesting that our type of intelligence is a very niche trait shrinking that box even more.
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Yea, it seems our only disagreement right now is how much variation rather then the aliens being incomprehensible which is too subjective even if you were to use the earth as an example.