All you libs failed to realize this. Read more theory

  • Metalorg [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Be honest, Rowling and Potter would be against any sort of revolution. The books are about expelling radical elements from their perfect, wizarding world. (Which has slavery)

    • Soap_Owl [any]
      hexagon
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      2 years ago

      Yeah, of course. Fuck them though.

  • UlyssesT [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Synthesis was the most convenient, lazy, and superficially "nice" ending possible in Mass Effect 3. :angery:

    • Soap_Owl [any]
      hexagon
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      2 years ago

      Wasn't that one just mandatory transhumanism for everyone?

      • UlyssesT [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Yeah, and as a deux ex machina, it easily and kind of lazily resolved the organic vs machine conflict, the plot beats about the inevitability of conflict and of sowing and reaping (whether or not you agree with the writing there, which was cobbled together sloppily after Karpashyn left and took his "Dark Matter" story arc with him), and it all seems hunky dory as long as you don't think about the mandatory universal "upgrades" and what they may entail, particularly for those who didn't ask for them or didn't want them or weren't even born yet and didn't have a choice.

        Remember, the reason for the magic green explosion that "transhumans" everyone (non-humans too, presumably) is to nullify the inevitability of organic vs machine conflict. It seems forced and trite as an ending choice to say "well because conflict inevitable because writers said so, bring on the green!"

        • Soap_Owl [any]
          hexagon
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          2 years ago

          Nah, I am into it. Just abracadabra fuck you everyone lives happy ever after. As a tanky this appeals to me. Mandatory vibrating robot dicks and cyber cat ears for everyone

          • UlyssesT [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            The "mandatory" part, especially because the actual reason is presumed inevitable conflict where no one can opt out from the magic green explosion, is what gets me.

            Would you be fine with a weird retro sci-fi game where the 60s race riots were resolved with a magic explosion that made everyone :lmayo: under the presumption that that would end all conflict?

            How about the Stonewall riots, resolved with a magic explosion that made everyone cis-het straight?

            • Soap_Owl [any]
              hexagon
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              2 years ago

              No. But being a transhuman robot that never has to suffer or die is slightly more cool than being straight. The metaphor breaks down because there are no drawbacks. It wouldn't fundamentally chance or worsen any experience. Nothing could be missed

              • UlyssesT [he/him]
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                2 years ago

                "I want thing therefore everyone should and must have the same thing" is kind of a :sus-deep: take. I myself would be fine with sci-fantasy superpowers and escapism, but denying choice to people just seems selfish and not very leftist to me.

                The Cybermen on Doctor Who were all about mandatory upgrades, after all. Sure, it's also sci-fantasy, but it makes the same point. I'm sure some Cybermen felt it was very cool and really wanted everyone to have the same mandatory upgrades.

                "It's not like forcing people to be white, because being cybernetic would have cool powers" is like some eugenics argument with extra steps and borderline :reddit-logo: to me.

                If it's all the same to you, though, I'd rather just agree to disagree before I run the risk of this getting ugly.

                • Soap_Owl [any]
                  hexagon
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                  2 years ago

                  Fair enough. We aren't gonna convince the other. And I think we see each other's point as immoral to the point of obscenity so we aren't likely to be civil. If it helps it is dumb scifi bullshit that we'll never really have to worry about.

                  • UlyssesT [he/him]
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                    2 years ago

                    I'll agree there; it is dumb scifi bullshit as presented in the game, as the same explosion with a different color depending on which deus ex machina button is pressed.

        • Catherine_Steward [she/her]
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          2 years ago

          i basically remember nothing about mass effect 3's ending, but that sounds very funny. "oh yeah, you think you're gonna have a war between organics and machines? well fuck you, you're all machines now, have fun"

          wouldn't people still just be able to fight over whether they were always machines

          • UlyssesT [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            That's my main problem with it. It took all the conflicts set up and drops a giant quick fix on it all. Well, in a way all the endings did (pick a color), but that one didn't even resolve the conflict as much as nullified it, which looks shakier the longer it's examined.

          • Soap_Owl [any]
            hexagon
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            2 years ago

            Thats the joke. The coflict was always bullshit and for the majority of the universe the outcome was always up to fate. I think very satisfyingly like real life. Not artistically satisfying so the gamers hated it. How cool would it have been if they stuck to their guns and had the reapers kill shepard and the humans. Just hundreds of hours and the universe is bigger than you the end. The gamers would have literally rioted if they couldn't be the specialist boys saving everything.

            • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              while I appreciate the bathos of just losing no matter what you do it's not very upbeat and maybe video games aren't the best medium to tell a story like that as an accepted paradigm of the medium is that if you play the game well you should be able to get the ending you want.