US: Let's send weapons to our allies that are at war! Iran: We'll do the same! US: shocked Pikachu face
With the litte difference that russia is a brutal dictatorship who invaded a sovereign country and Iran is a brutal dictatorship too.
But I guess it's the same anyway, right?
invaded a sovereign country
Thank god my wholesome democracy would never do that over and over again for my entire life, otherwise I might have to think about who they tell me the bad guys are.
Also Ukraine is not a sovereign country. We stole their sovereignty ten years ago when we replaced their government with nazis.
USA doesn't give a fuck about other countries sovereignty when it goes murdering across the globe
All liberal "democracies" are brutal capitalist dictatorships.
At least Iran and Russia's interests are aligned with most of the world against imperial core countries.
Did you know that the United States Army trained midwifery to locals in Iraq?
Google "Fallujah Babies" for more details!
The US is constantly and historically the ones propping up dictators all over the world. AND we have done it while people of those nations have either legitimately voted for the opposite, and/or were fighting for their freedom from colonial powers/dictators. We actively fund and create false narratives inside nations that we don't like to start color revolutions. We force other nations into backing brutal sanctions if they don't want us to go after them and to be allowed to trade with us. Our military is literally installed all over the globe, but we claim nations like China are somehow being "aggressive" for even patrolling their own areas. We create and groom evil and gaslight the world that we are somehow just allowed to police the globe. Fuck yourself.
Russia joined a civil war in progress on the morally correct side
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which the CIA said was going to happen if NATO kept expanding, back in 2008
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Between Russia, Iran, and Ukraine, only two still have elections, and yet the one without is the one that isn't a dictatorship?
The USA is a brutal dictatorship who invaded a sovereign country. What's the difference exactly? The USA has invaded someone more recently than Russia has, and they do it a lot more often. They're also more dictatorial and more brutal. The fact that the USA is mad at Iran for supporting their enemy is completely understandable. They're not being hypocrites, it's just mafia tactics and they're not ashamed of it. What's not understandable is you or anyone saying USA sending weapons to Ukraine and Iran sending weapons to Russia are somehow not equivalent.
To be clear, I am not at all justifying or forgiving the use of sanctions, it's a barbaric form of warfare that explicitly targets non-combatants, the USA should be ashamed and their leadership jailed.
This is hilarious because Iran is already sanctioned to hell and back. G7 really has one tool and that's it. So glad my country joined BRICS and made peace with Iran.
Reminds me of "you are only making it worse for yourself"
I like the idea of economic incentives and I think they're extremely effective, although the ones on the other end of them usually take years before they start to feel the full effects.
What people seem to not be noticing is that effectively the Global North is sanctioning itself. Meanwhile the Global South is making its own plans without them.
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It's incorrect to think that losing access to markets is beneficial for anyone, which is why using it as a bargaining chip to make people stop murdering each other is a good thing. Even if this imaginary Global South organization had another provider for goods, they're at risk of being abused or manipulated by a lower number of trade partners who can increase prices at will.
I'm sorry that you disagree.
Some markets aren’t worth the trouble. It is not like Iran is losing access to China. It is losing access to a market that it had very limited access to if any.
China is leading the world in cost effective manufacturing and infrastructure projects. I have no idea what you are huffing but it must be strong
Competition drives prices down. Bare minimum economic theory for you, you're welcome for that.
Who is going to undercut the Chinese? This I want to see. Maybe the Europeans shouldn't slap tariffs on Chinese products then.
Provider for goods? What are you on about? Western nations outsource all production to the global south (pretty much) and the only thing they make is overpriced software (hyperbole)
It’s incorrect to think that losing access to markets is beneficial for anyone
It almost never is, but in this case the Global North’s sanctions are forcing the Global South to build alliances amongst themselves, and this shift is likely to be quite durable.
Geopolitical Economy Hour, Apr. 2023: Russia Leaves the Neoliberal West to Join the World Majority
How long do you think before we see some G7 states break rank and join BRICS? Or do you think they will go down together?
Italy kind of tried to join One Belt One Road and pulled out when the Fash got elected. Macron made some noise about BRICS at one point but Macron makes a lot of noise about bullshit.
I think there's also some merit behind the idea that letting G7 states into BRICS is a bad idea because there's nothing stopping them from being obstructive.
Lol they still haven't learned that sanctioning these massive countries just backfires
I think it's a sanction on Iran, which... how much trade is really going between Europe and Iran
"US and vassal states threaten to lock Iran out of moribund economic bloc and into up and coming new one."
"The peoples who disagree with me aren't real akshually sweaty, it's all a conspiracy from [insert whatever person/country lib decided to hate this week]."
Isn't you radlib's whole shtick that you're supposedly better than the MAGA Qanon crowd in every ways? If so you should at least try to pretend to have better arguments than them lol. This is legitimately pathetic.
The fact that you dogged the question with a thought terminating cliché instead of elaborating as was asked of you is a perfect illustration of the fact that the only troll here is you, and that you are nothing but a sad clown with no actual arguments 🤡
This is your brain detoxing from echo chamber induced copium. Welcome to not being on reddit.
Reddit wasn't my first or last news forum platform. (Newsgroups were my first)
Unfortunately this bit of Lemmy reminds me of gote/goat (whatever it was called), that turned into pit of Nazis kicked out of Reddit. Or Twitter as rules are removed.
Seams to be, were there is no decent code of conduct, you get Nazis. Be interesting to see how it plays out on a federated platform.
Most of lemmy (lemmygrad, hexbear, lemmy, feddit, etc) has pretty decent Codes of Conduct, though? Take a look at the modlog, plenty of bans for trolling, transphobia, spam, unreliable sources, and more.
Go to Dessalines and Nutomic and complain to him, man...
Like you people say... if you don't like it, complain to the manager
Seams to be, were there is no decent code of conduct, you get Nazis.
That’s absolutely true. Feel free to peruse the lemmy.ml modlog for aggressive fascist removals and bans.
Lemmy instances have better moderation than reddit all things considered. There's not nearly as many zionazis here as reddit for example, and the ones that exist are only on .world
There was that one nazi instance exploding-heads, but we chased them off lol
Neoliberals yet again refusing to consider someone could disagree with them and still be sane, instead resorting to calling all opposition crazy or paid actors.
So are you saying you think western sanctions have been working as intended, then? You haven't actually stated anything that refutes what others in this thread have said. I only ask because Russia seems to be doing fine economically, all things considered. Germany and the rest of Europe that were/are dependent on Russian exports, though, not so much...
