On one hand, I do think torture is wrong

But on the other hand, this just feels like more confirmation of Ukraine/US involvement that they're so outraged about it.

  • Red_Scare [he/him]@lemmygrad.ml
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    8 months ago

    They were repeatedly shoving guys own severed ear into his mouth, trying to make him eat it. That's not "roughing up after catching", that's proper torture.

      • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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        8 months ago

        The proper response to a state torturing a suspect is not "I'm sure he deserved it"

          • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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            8 months ago

            There is no excuse for a state torturing anyone, so there is no room for "he deserved it" in this conversation. It should be the easiest thing in the world to look at Russians torturing this guy and say that's wrong. This is the difference between critical support and unconditional support.

            You are also assuming he is guilty based on what, news reports in the immediate aftermath? That we all know are just press releases straight from the cops? You can't look at stuff like mundane drug arrests in the U.S. and be hypersuspicious of every allegation then uncritically accept the first story the cops put out on a high-profile terrorist attack.

              • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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                8 months ago

                You're the one going to bat for torture here. Torture that is inexcusable no matter what these guys did.

                But I'm sure you've done a deep, sober dive into the evidence and are not simply repeating (other) things the cops told you. I'm sure we have the full story about what exactly happened and who exactly was involved 48 hours after the fact.

              • Aria@lemmygrad.ml
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                8 months ago

                What does it fucking matter if he's guilty, it's not the police's job or the state's job to enact revenge.

          • Rom [he/him]
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            8 months ago

            Either put him on trial or put a bullet in his head. Torture achieves nothing, it's just petty revenge.

        • JucheBot1988@lemmygrad.ml
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          8 months ago

          It's not, but too many of the responses in this thread verge dangerously close to "all states bad," "all cops are bastards," "be a fucking decent human being," and other nuance-less liberal platitudes. If I wanted that sort of thing I could go over to r/tankiejerk or some other anarchist-infested hellhole.

          • BeamBrain [he/him]
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            8 months ago

            "all cops are bastards,"

            liberal platitudes

            I want to live in the reality where libs are saying ACAB

          • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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            8 months ago

            nuance-less liberal platitudes

            Torture isn't a very nuanced subject. There just aren't any excuses for it, especially not here, where it's purely retributive and the act in question is clearly torture.