Tryna start bringing lunch into the office instead of buying a sandwich every day and I figure I might as well try to make it vegan if I can

Death to America

  • AmericaDelendeEst [any]
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    2 years ago

    I relied on this source specifically and only for this graph shape and did not “specifically avoid” the fact that it was about soaked soybeans

    you specifically avoid mentioning soaking beans at all, for some weird fucking reason, despite citing scientific studies which explicitly indicate pre soaking the beans to achieve the lectin deactiviation time tables you are stating

    Why would soaking overnight radically change the shape of temp-time curve?

    Why would your own sources continue to soak them if it were entirely unnecessary

    The graph will look similar for same aqueous reaction in unsoaked kidney beans.

    k bro

    The “power soak” thing is the same as the LA Times author did: bring to a boil, let sit one hour

    wow sounds like it's still soaking hmm curious

    I see no evidence of people boiling unsoaked kidney beans until palatable (~2h) and getting sick

    beans were boiled, still got sick, your own source lmao

    15m additional water time

    weird how you literally state it as boil, soak for an hour plus, but now say "15m additional time"

    If you think it’s something stupid, I will happily eat a couple hard-ass unsoaked kidney beans at the 30m mark if you promise to apologize when I don’t get sick.

    have fun since you're literally ignoring all your own sources re: power soaking

    You reason like you’re still drunk.

    you reason like a dipshit and I wish you'd stop responding so I wouldn't be forced to see it because this site doesn't let me just block you or deactivate inbox response

    I'm done, ignoring your next response

    • StewartCopelandsDad [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Why would soaking overnight radically change the shape of temp-time curve?

      Why would your own sources continue to soak them if it were entirely unnecessary

      that's just how people cook beans, of course they test it that way. as you will learn from reading literally any recipe, soaking beans makes them softer.

      I see no evidence of people boiling unsoaked kidney beans until palatable (~2h) and getting sick

      beans were boiled, still got sick, your own source lmao

      You really think that this person boiled unsoaked beans for two hours and got sick? (a) that's not specified in the source and (b) why would beans take 15 minutes to be safe when soaked, but more than two hours when not soaked?

      15m additional water time

      weird how you literally state it as boil, soak for an hour plus, but now say “15m additional time”

      Per LA Times, if you cook black beans without soaking it takes two hours. If you quick soak, it takes 1 hour + 1h15m. 15m additional water time.

      Absolutely insane behavior. Eight pathetic line-split Redditor rebuttals but you're afraid to take a position on how long unsoaked kidney beans need to be cooked. Get it together man.

      • AmericaDelendeEst [any]
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        2 years ago

        that’s just how people cook beans, of course they test it that way. as you will learn from reading literally any recipe, soaking beans makes them softer.

        lol k guy who forgot beans have lectins to begin with

        Per LA Times, if you cook black beans without soaking it takes two hours. If you quick soak, it takes 1 hour + 1h15m. 15m additional water time.

        all over the place with the damn beans, kidney beans have 30,000-70000 HAU of lectins, idk what black beans have but I guarantee it's significantly lower

        guess what, even fully fucking cooked kidney beans still have a lectin content of 200-400 HAU, in the range of entirely uncooked lentils, but go off believing it's all 100% destroyed by a 10 minute boil

        go off ignoring the fucking function of your power soak

        Absolutely insane behavior

        Eat my fucking asshole

          • AmericaDelendeEst [any]
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            2 years ago

            I told you, I'm fucking done you debate bro piece of shit, the fucking FDA literally recommends a 5 hour soak for raw kidney beans, to prevent illness, not for fucking palatability

            Studies done by British scientists suggest that beans should be soaked in water for at least 5 hours, the water poured away, and the beans boiled in fresh water for at least 30 minutes

            https://www.fda.gov/media/83271/download

            If the massive amounts of lectins in kidney beans are fully deactivated by a 10 minute boil (the presence of 200-400 HAU in fully cooked beans should tell you that they fucking aren't) then why recommend throwing out the water? Just drink that shit up, you fucking moron

            • StewartCopelandsDad [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              How long do unsoaked kidney beans need to be cooked at 100C? Take a position, coward.

              I’m done, ignoring your next response

              you can't even commit to not replying. what do you do for fun, road rage?

              bonus:

              The syndrome usually is caused by ingestion of raw, soaked kidney beans, either alone or in salads or casseroles. Several outbreaks have been associated with beans cooked in slow cookers (i.e., countertop appliances that cook foods at low temperatures for several hours) or in casseroles that had not reached an internal temperature high enough to destroy the glycoprotein lectin.

              Remember when I said "People get sick from lectin because they cook at insufficient temperatures, not because they skip the soak"?

              • AmericaDelendeEst [any]
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                2 years ago

                the fda just recommends a 5 hour soak, specifically mentioning to throw away the water used, for no reason, just fun, just to make people waste water

                power soak some beans and drink it hope it makes you shit yourself to death

                • StewartCopelandsDad [he/him]
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                  2 years ago

                  are you drinking bean water normally? even from a can you drain and rinse lol.

                  How long do unsoaked kidney beans need to be cooked at 100C? Are you afraid to commit and be proven wrong? I've avoiding directly wishing you harm because I expect it's against site rules. I will not do it in this comment either. If you're right, pick a number and cause me harm irl. Otherwise go seethe somewhere else.