Hello mateys,

There's a lot of discussion recently about the ethics of piracy. A lot of good points have been made out of a handful bad ones. The most compelling one is of course the data preservation one, that piracy is the only way to mass preserve digital media in a medium that is prone to error.

However, sometimes discussions about the ethical justification to privacy often lead to rationalizing. Pirating, as others have exclaimed, is at best morally grey, and there are some cases, namely pirating works of small creators, where it is actively harmful and wrong.

I would like to share my perspective on it. I studied some game theory in college and that course made me look at the world in a different way. I believe piracy is a perfect example of a game theory concept known as the prisoner's dilemma and evolutionary game theory, if you all haven't heard about it. My essay is less of a justification of piracy, but more of an explanation of why piracy happens and grounding it in theory.

As a background for this concept, here's a scenario. Let's say you're a criminal faced with two options: snitch or stay silent. There is also another criminal, your accomplice, who is also in jail and faced with the same option. Depending on your response and your accomplice's response there are different payouts:

I stay silent and accomplice stays silent: 2 years of jail for both of us

I stay silent and accomplice snitches: 5 years of jail for me, 1 year of jail for the accomplice

I snitch and accomplice stays silent: 1 year of jail for me, 5 years of jail for my accomplice

We botch snitch on each other: 3 years of jail time for both of us

Most of you probably know where this is going, but bear with me because i'm gonna go further. The quick analysis of the situation is that there is a best-case scenario, which is both of us staying silent. But this best-case scenario can only happen with the result of cooperation. This is because if one of us flips, the other will have to serves longer sentence. The best case scenario can only happen if we both agree before the game that we will stay silent so we can guarantee the outcome, or else we will serve the longer sentence if the other betrays us.

So, what if we play this game without cooperating beforehand? Well, looking at my options:

if i stay silent, i can either get 2 years or 5 years of jail time

if i snitch, i can get either 1 year or 3 years of jail time

when faced with both these options, which strategy will you choose? of course, I do not want to got to jail for 5 years. Snitching definitely looks mad appealing to me when looking at it from this perspective. That's why, in game theory, snitching is what's called a nash equilibrium. Staying silent is not a nash equilibrium, because if the other snitches then I get a resulting jailtime which is worse off than if i just stayed silent.

Note that this does not mean that everybody should snitch. It's just that, given the choices handed to us, snitching is the one that will result in the least bad jail sentences. As with life, there may be other factors at play, such as the fact that if I snitch, the gang boss might kill me when I get out, which will definitely affect my decisions whether I should snitch or stay silent.

Okay. So how does this relate to piracy? What if we now play this game at a massive scale. Each and every one of us is faced with two options: pirate or buy. Currently, the majority of people actually buy software and media!

But wait. If buying is analogous to staying silent, and pirating is analogous to snitching, why aren't we at Nash equilibrium? why isn't everyone pirating software? My sweet summer child, I present to you the concept of law. The purpose of the law is precisely to coordinate people so we don't fall into our shitty Nash equilibriums and ruin everything, and it does it precisely by attaching a more negative result to snitching (pirating). That's why we have stoplights (seriously, we talk about stoplights a lot in my game theory class) and why (mostly) everyone follows stoplight laws. (before you say tRagEdY oF tHE cOMmONs!!!! the guy Garrett Hardin who coined the term was a hardline eugenicist and his intellectual contributions is a shitstain in academia so shut the fuck up.)

(for people that are curious, this is the realm of Evolutionary game theory. It studies the scenarios where each individual pair off in a population and play a game, and studies stable populations and stable strategies under this model. Ironically, i learned this from Game Theory, Alive by Anna R. Karlin and Yuval Peres. which i got from libgen XD)

So, as we have it, we have a majority of people buying software, with a minority of pirates who are getting that software or media for free. We aren't at nash equilibrium!! More technically, piracy is stable strategy under the parameters of the system. We pirates know that buying all the software we interact with will just make us poorer and sad in the end, and we'll be stuck with all the DRM. But on the other hand, it's untenable if everyone just pirates everything all the time! We pirates profit so long as the majority of people keep buying software. This puts us, pirates, at a very precarious position. It is dangerous when the population of pirates to increase, because this will cause things and create domino effects which will put us at nash equilibrium due to more regulation of piracy and a crackdown of piracy, leaving us worse off and needing to adapt to these changes.

My advice:the most stable strategy right now is buying software whenever you can spare the coin and if you think the value of the software to you matches its price, but pirating if it's convenient or unaffordable.

Too long, didn't read: piracy is a stable strategy under the current parameters of the system. If everybody pirates it fucks everything up. So, be as sneaky as you can. Also, read up on your evolutionary game theory you pleb

  • Are_Euclidding_Me [e/em/eir]
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    8 months ago

    Nah, it's way easier than that: pirate everything, give as much money as you can afford to small creators. Intellectual property is a fuck and the vast majority of any money you pay for media goes directly into the pockets of wealthy executives, not to the people who actually make the media you enjoy.

    • aldalire@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      hexagon
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      8 months ago

      Then yerr a pirate matey!

      The world can handle a stable population of pirates. And you’re one of them, and also me. But what if we grow? What if more people pirate? We will feel the effects in terms of regulation, either through dns blocking indexer sites or more copyright trolls, regardless if we harm corporations profits or not. I say we need to prepare for that, decentralize as much as we can, and be more resilient so that when that time comes we’ll be prepared

      • Are_Euclidding_Me [e/em/eir]
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        8 months ago

        But what if we grow? What if more people pirate?

        Good. Unlimited piracy on media and software corporations.

        I'm a communist first and foremost. Private property is wrong in all its forms, this wrongness is just most obvious when talking about intellectual property, because intellectual property can be easily copied and isn't something physical like the tools in a factory. Of course corporations will always try to clamp down on piracy, they've been trying to do so my entire adult life. It doesn't really matter how many pirates there are, because corporations don't just want money, they want all the money. If even one person pirates, corporations will try to make piracy difficult.

        I guess I fundamentally disagree with your statement that "The world can handle a stable population of pirates." I don't think that's a meaningful statement. It's not like there's some "carrying capacity" for piracy after which point the intellectual property ecosystem will tip out of equilibrium and cause pirates to become an endangered species.

    • aldalire@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      hexagon
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      8 months ago

      Definitely not a stable strategy if everyone adopts it! Just be safe out there in the oceans matey.

      although, you do bring up a theoretical point that's interesting: how can we make pirating both the nash equilibrium and the best-case scenario? How can we restructure the system in a way where software and media is free for all to take without impunity.

      • Lettuce eat lettuce@lemmy.ml
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        8 months ago

        Isn't that roughly the overall vision of the Free Software movement? We can all build software that's open and free, as long as that is pushed forward in perpetuity to all subsequent versions/forks.

        Your compensation for providing code for free, is that you also get access to all other code for free too. I have paid for lots of FOSS software over the years, or at least donated to their projects and creators/maintainers.

        I've actually paid for more FOSS software and services than proprietary software and services overall. Because I want to support the kind of ecosystem I believe should exist.

        I favor a pay-what-you-can model personally. Some take for free, some pay a pittance, some pay at cost, and a few pay well over asking price. It's actually the same model that modern free-to-play games use. Most players spend little to no money on the game, just playing for free and keeping everything stock.

        But a small amount of players are dolphins and whales, people who happily spend hundreds, in some cases, thousands of dollars on in-game features, items, skins, etc.

        That gives me some hope that the model can work, we just need a culture of end users that believe in that sort of thing. That's the kind of pirate ethos I advocate for. Pay for stuff that deserves your money. Pay for things that respect you as a user, respect your privacy, right to repair, right to copy and remix, right to self-host and mod, etc. Those are the kinds of products and services that get my money.

        Giant media conglomerates and super-rich entertainers with private yachts and jets, they don't get a cent of my money. I pirate their stuff with the wind at my back, sun on my skin, and a smile on my face.

      • buckykat [none/use name]
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        8 months ago

        To engage a bit less glibly: Capitalism is very bad, private property (as distinct from personal property) is very bad, and intellectual property is an especially nonsensical form of private property which urgently needs to be destroyed. All software should be Free in the FSF Four Freedoms sense.

  • aldalire@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    hexagon
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    8 months ago

    As a cool sidenote: evolutionary game theory is, unsurprisingly, rooted in biology. It was used to model the populations of various species of animals by quantifying the payouts of their behavior in relation to other animals in the ecosystem. Here's a quote from Game Theory, Alive:

    "A new perspective was proposed by John Maynard Smith and George Price in 1973: Each player could be an organism whose pure strategy is encoded in its genes"

    The model isn't too far off from what happens in reality. Some species of animals actually follow the expected behavior of what will happen when individuals in a population play a game of "rock-paper-scissors"

    The side-blotched lizard Uta stansburiana has three distinct types of male: orange-throat, blue-throat, and yellow-striped. All females of the species are yellow- striped. The orange-throated males are violently aggressive, keep large harems of females, and defend large territories. The yellow-striped males are docile and look like receptive females. In fact, the orange-throats can’t distinguish between the yellow-striped males and females. This enables the yellow-striped males to sneak into their territory and secretly copulate with the females. The blue-throats are less aggressive than the orange-throats, keep smaller harems (small enough to distinguish their females from yellow-striped males), and defend small territories. Researchers have observed a six-year cycle starting with domination, say, by the orange-throats. Eventually, the orange-throats amass territories and harems so large that they can no longer be guarded effectively against the sneaky yellow- striped males, who are able to secure a majority of copulations and produce the largest number of offspring. When the yellow-striped lizards become very com- mon, however, the males of the blue-throated variety get an edge: Since they have small harems, they can detect yellow-striped males and prevent them from invad- ing their harems. Thus, a period when the blue-throats become dominant follows. However, the aggressive orange-throats do comparatively well against blue-throats since they can challenge them and acquire their harems and territories, thus prop- agating themselves. In this manner, the population frequencies eventually return to the original ones, and the cycle begins anew. When John Maynard Smith learned that Uta stansburia were “playing” Rock- Paper-Scissors, he reportedly exclaimed, “They have read my book!”

    Hope you liked my unhinged post guys :-)

  • Ahri Boy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    8 months ago

    As many OTT platforms are popping up, the tendency to pirate content rises. Why should you pirate exclusive content instead of subscribing to OTTs? Look at Showmax, an OTT platform owned by the South Africa-based main shareholder of Tencent. It's worth pirating exclusive Showmax content instead of subscribing to. An adult themed OTT platform based in my country (will not mention the name for fear of repercussion from its owners) is literally cringe as expected.

    My interest in entering the cinema is losing as inflation rises. Latest titles are literally losing quality, the same for AAA video games. Indie titles are worth spending.

  • GravitySpoiled@lemmy.ml
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    8 months ago

    How do you draw your conclusion that you should buy software if you can? Just because I can spend 100 bucks on a game 2024 that is exactly like the game of 2023 but with different names, doesn't mean I should buy it. If more and more people start pirating it, they have to lower the price in order to reach more people. This is microeconomics.

    There is no single reason for an individual to buy it apart from convenience or too little knowledge.

    Moreover, as long as the people in movies are getting paid more than governers, there's no reason to give them any penny. Adjust the broken monetary system, and I'll pay. But not right now.

    Why would I want to give Katy Perry 3 cents per listen? The system is broken.

    You may buy a game if it's made by an independent person.

    • aldalire@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      hexagon
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      8 months ago

      Granted, "if you can" maybe wasn't the best phrasing. Maybe I should replace it with "buy it if you think the value of the software matches its price." Also, you said the bad word "should" here. We're discussing this purely economically and not morally or ethically as that has been done before. Maybe that can put us at a stable strategy, but who knows. Just don't be too greedy

  • nintendiator@feddit.cl
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    8 months ago

    It is dangerous when the population of pirates to increase, because this will cause things and create domino effects which will put us at nash equilibrium due to more regulation of piracy and a crackdown of piracy,

    Nuh-uh. DRM and draconian laws were already being passed own without piracy, or when piracy was at a low. This also falls into the fallacy that DRM and laws on that line are exclusively the result of piracy - they are not, they come from military / corporate authoritarianism, see for example the effects of 9/11 (the US one, not the Chilean one, although they do also are related in this respect).

    tl;dr: Everyone benefits if more people pirate.