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I've never been able to get liberals to admit capitalism killed anyone. They always deflect saying authoritarianism or governments killed people, not capitalism, since they say capitalism is an ideal of treating people fairly or blah blah
I'll readily admit communists killed people, and they deserved it. There should be more dead Nazis and landlords. Kill them all.
CoMmUnIsM KiILed 100 MiLliOn
So, about 10 years of capitalism, but who is counting.
Correct. Also, the 100m number is literally fake. IIRC, it can be traced back to that shitty piece of CIA propaganda "the black book of communism".
That number factors in deaths that have nothing to do with Socialism, such as:
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Nazis killed in WW2;
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People that died of famines that weren't even caused by Socialism (multiplied by a certain number because they could've had children) and old age (comrade grim reaper, Joseph Stalin's 2nd in command!!!!!!!!!);
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Soviet Union: Everyone that died due to the famine after the Russian Civil War + those who died during the Siege of Leningrad and during WW2.
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Execution of Nazi collaborators and chaos instigators;
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Blatantly making up a few million deaths just to get to the 100 million mark (iirc it was between 5m-15m);
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China: The few famines that happened throughout the history of the PRC (China used to have famines once every few years for millennia until the Communists took over);
I'm sure other comrades can give a much more detailed answer, but the 100 million claim is insane (and I'm pretty even historians, Marxist or not, disregard it).
iirc they put basically every death that happened under socialists countries, even natural causes such as old age that you mentioned, and diseases, and boy oh boy, 100 years of colonization, rural and illiterate china did have a lot of diseases, a lot of people was dying from easily preventable or diseases that were eradicate in capitalist center.
and as you mentioned, people that never existed in the first place, used a wacky population growth chart for china, that didn't come to reality, so they counted this as victims too.
people that never existed in the first place, used a wacky population growth chart for china,
Yeah, if you executed a nazi not only were they counted as a casualty but also the 4 children, and the 16 grandchildren they would have were counted as well.
it is worse than i through, now i have to read this shit to be aware of this fucking thing
New stat dropped
250 xibillion killed by Communists masturbating and using contraception
The fact they estimate the number of victims of the last famine in China with a wildly wide margin of 15-60 million, with official number being the minimal one already tells you how bullshit that is.
Don’t forget the White Army! You would think that anticommunists would feel at least a tinge of shame or concern for honoring violent antisemites alongside infants who died from famine, but nope, it doesn’t bother them at all.
When I was editing Leftypedia, my most popular page was the one responding to the ‘100 million deaths’ meme. Somebody griped about how I did not include a less inaccurate death toll for communism, so I gave that my best shot. That was the worst mistake that I made there. The anticommunists who saw that page ignored everything but the less inflated total that I proposed and they whined about it. Finally I just took it out because they wouldn’t stop missing the point.
This is my favourite reply:
Even so, it still raises a very important question: why would any state kill so many people?
Why would the Nazis kill so many people... oh wait... can we even do that?
Why not? What is wrong with asking that? Isn’t determining criminals’ motives necessary for, you know, crime prevention? What good is consecrating an atrocity to the point where we aren’t allowed to even speculate on its exact causes?
Carelessness like that is one of the reasons why I usually don’t bother trying to reason with anticommunists.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
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100 million more dead nazis, 100 million more dead kulaks, 100 million more dead landlords.
The Jewish doctrine of Marxism repudiates the aristocratic principle of Nature and substitutes for it the eternal privilege of force and energy, numerical mass and its dead weight. Thus it denies the individual worth of the human personality, impugns the teaching that nationhood and race have a primary significance, and by doing this it takes away the very foundations of human existence and human civilization.
If the Marxist teaching were to be accepted as the foundation of the life of the universe, it would lead to the disappearance of all order that is conceivable to the human mind. And thus the adoption of such a law would provoke chaos in the structure of the greatest organism that we know, with the result that the inhabitants of this earthly planet would finally disappear.
Should the Jew, with the aid of his Marxist creed, triumph over the people of the world, his crown will be the funeral wreath of mankind, and this planet will once again follow its orbit through the ether, without any human life on its surface, as it did millions of years ago.
— Adolf Schicklgruber, Mein Kampf
Remove the stuff about the Jewish conspiracy and you more or less get what liberals believe today. Especially the thing about how socialism "denies the individual worth of the human personality" is treated like a common sense truism by even the most well-meaning radlibs.
The sands of our barren world tumble through the air, warning all alien civilizations of Stalin's insatiable hunger for grain
Is there a lib-friendly source for this (preferably a New York Times article, Obama speech, Disney movie or similar)?
there are a few studies on this, libs tend to have trouble dismissing studies because they fancy themselves as enlightened intellectuals https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9735018/
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
It's funny. Mass death only seems to be a problem when the government wasn't doing it for profit.
