If Russia is truly a Syrian ally... It needs to hand over s300s for the Syrians to use. Otherwise it's just there to protect its own interests like any western nation, which is probably the case. I know this isn't a video game, but that's exactly why deterrence has to be established. Otherwise what Isntrael gets to do is play flight simulator over other countries without any danger whatsoever.
True, but they do need to send a message that them and their allies are under protection. There seems to be little to no consequence for western actions including the concert hall attack in Moscow. Victoria Nuland and gang don't give a shit about Ukrainians. In fact they probably are glad it's Ukrainians getting the brunt of the retaliation and not someone dear to them like isntrael
Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see what the response is. Also worth keeping in mind what Iran might do here. They're fairly technologically advanced as well.
Yeah, this is purely subjective but I really want someone to finally make the west understand they have gone too far and there will be consequences for their brutality. The western world should be in outrage over the images coming out of Al Shifa hospital but even if they were it wouldn't matter. Someone else is gonna have to do it.
For sure, good news is that the west can no longer pretend to have any moral high ground when dealing with other nations. The mask is completely off now.
All allies from capitalist, often times even socialist states are formed for mutual self interests
I'd imagine Turkey aggressing Syria makes giving S300s a harder decision for Russia. They're probably more influential than Syria, hence them having s400s (I think the only foreign country to have them?)
Even in terms of capitalism, it's so dumb to sell a NATO country your state of the art air defense system. Especially one as shady as Turkey. Turkey has several times demonstrated they act against Russia's interests and having even taken over chunks of Syria through extremist proxies which threatens Russian access to ports.
But then again, there is the lenin quote about capitalists selling rope.
Yep, Russia of today has no principles. It's only because their opponent in Ukraine is NATO that they are worthy of the slightly bit of critical support they get.
I wouldn't say this means Russia have no principles, this fact more points on Turkey having none whatsoever and playing on both sides because their strategic importance and both sides just have to entertain and bribe them, NATO is also allowing them more leeway than any other member.
Fair enough, though dialectically we should get rid of such sentiments in analysis as it allows for anachronisms to set in. We all know USSR would be better but it sadly don't exist now and we have to deal with what it is.
If Russia is truly a Syrian ally... It needs to hand over s300s for the Syrians to use. Otherwise it's just there to protect its own interests like any western nation, which is probably the case. I know this isn't a video game, but that's exactly why deterrence has to be established. Otherwise what Isntrael gets to do is play flight simulator over other countries without any danger whatsoever.
The question is how many they have to spare, I imagine a lot of them are tied up in Ukraine at the moment.
True, but they do need to send a message that them and their allies are under protection. There seems to be little to no consequence for western actions including the concert hall attack in Moscow. Victoria Nuland and gang don't give a shit about Ukrainians. In fact they probably are glad it's Ukrainians getting the brunt of the retaliation and not someone dear to them like isntrael
Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see what the response is. Also worth keeping in mind what Iran might do here. They're fairly technologically advanced as well.
Yeah, this is purely subjective but I really want someone to finally make the west understand they have gone too far and there will be consequences for their brutality. The western world should be in outrage over the images coming out of Al Shifa hospital but even if they were it wouldn't matter. Someone else is gonna have to do it.
For sure, good news is that the west can no longer pretend to have any moral high ground when dealing with other nations. The mask is completely off now.
All allies from capitalist, often times even socialist states are formed for mutual self interests
I'd imagine Turkey aggressing Syria makes giving S300s a harder decision for Russia. They're probably more influential than Syria, hence them having s400s (I think the only foreign country to have them?)
Even in terms of capitalism, it's so dumb to sell a NATO country your state of the art air defense system. Especially one as shady as Turkey. Turkey has several times demonstrated they act against Russia's interests and having even taken over chunks of Syria through extremist proxies which threatens Russian access to ports.
But then again, there is the lenin quote about capitalists selling rope.
They did it to win over Turkey over some important issue (I forgot) + drew them away from Patriot battery sales
And Turkey "thanked" them by agreeing to NATO expansion.
Yep, Russia of today has no principles. It's only because their opponent in Ukraine is NATO that they are worthy of the slightly bit of critical support they get.
I wouldn't say this means Russia have no principles, this fact more points on Turkey having none whatsoever and playing on both sides because their strategic importance and both sides just have to entertain and bribe them, NATO is also allowing them more leeway than any other member.
Ah I see your viewpoint. I still maintain they don't either, perhaps because I am comparing them relative to the USSR, and perhaps unfairly.
Fair enough, though dialectically we should get rid of such sentiments in analysis as it allows for anachronisms to set in. We all know USSR would be better but it sadly don't exist now and we have to deal with what it is.
Agreed. I would be lying if I said I was looking at this totally logically.