Seeing zionists online defend this is surreal because I don't think they comprehend that Iran is fully within their rights to declare war on Israel. It's like they've convincied themselves that they're invincible.
I think that's exactly what it is. Israel is basically used to be able to do whatever they want with impunity. I think they actually want to expand this to a war with Iran because that would force US to get directly involved. From everything I've read, it looks like the whole Gaza campaign is a huge debacle. They failed to achieve any strategic goals, they lots a lot of troops and equipment, their economy is now suffering because of the blockade by Yemen and due to the fact that they had to mobilize a bunch of people. Now, they're finding themselves in a war of attrition in a dense urban environment, and their army is not really built for that.
I think it's the same logic Ukraine had earlier own where they kept hoping that they could create some kind of a provocation that would force NATO to go all in. The difference is that Israel has a much better chance of actually achieving that.
Plus no one actually likes Ukraine. They tolerate them because it's a good weapon testing ground buffer for Russia. Whether or not Israel is well liked is irrelevant because the money's still flowing both ways.
Exactly, the west is just cynically using Ukraine in a proxy war, but Israel has real leverage over the west.
Is it reasonably possible that Imperial America will leave the neocolony to fend for itself?
Israel is basically the last bastion US has in the region, if it falls then Iran will become the dominant power. At the same time it's hard to say whether US even has the capability to go to war with Iran at this point.
While it pales in comparison to the horror of what's happening, I have to admit that I'll be taking a kind of grim ragged pleasure at seeing them actually snap as they realize they aren't.
It’s like they’ve convincied themselves that they’re invincible.
Makes sense to me.
The US is actively covering for their genocide at the UN and arming them to conduct it.
They have nuclear weapons and have blackmailed the entire region plus insinuated in threats that they would nuke western cities if their occupation fell in retaliation.
They are strategically important to the US and have been a bipartisan agreement for decades. The US plans to use Taiwan in a war against China in the near future, if they abandon important partners like the zionists their pawns in Taiwan may notice and resist being used that way.
Biden is a known zionist. Trump will also support them they believe and not without cause.
They have a huge, powerful lobby and the anti-semitism card which has given them dominance of the western and in a real way global media.
Facebook is viciously censoring and suppressing the truth about the genocide of Palestinians by the zionists as well as any criticism.
Most gulf states are run by those in the US orbit and wouldn't dare to do anything to help.
All of it adds up to the fact that they have a reason to think this way, many reasons.
How is this not an act of war? Fucking hell. Israel literally just gets to do whatever the fuck they want
It is. But Isn'treal has nukes and is crazed enough to use them and everyone knows it including Iran.
Declaring war on Israel, however in the right you may be, will get you in a war with US/NATO pretty soon
If Russia is truly a Syrian ally... It needs to hand over s300s for the Syrians to use. Otherwise it's just there to protect its own interests like any western nation, which is probably the case. I know this isn't a video game, but that's exactly why deterrence has to be established. Otherwise what Isntrael gets to do is play flight simulator over other countries without any danger whatsoever.
The question is how many they have to spare, I imagine a lot of them are tied up in Ukraine at the moment.
True, but they do need to send a message that them and their allies are under protection. There seems to be little to no consequence for western actions including the concert hall attack in Moscow. Victoria Nuland and gang don't give a shit about Ukrainians. In fact they probably are glad it's Ukrainians getting the brunt of the retaliation and not someone dear to them like isntrael
Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see what the response is. Also worth keeping in mind what Iran might do here. They're fairly technologically advanced as well.
Yeah, this is purely subjective but I really want someone to finally make the west understand they have gone too far and there will be consequences for their brutality. The western world should be in outrage over the images coming out of Al Shifa hospital but even if they were it wouldn't matter. Someone else is gonna have to do it.
For sure, good news is that the west can no longer pretend to have any moral high ground when dealing with other nations. The mask is completely off now.
All allies from capitalist, often times even socialist states are formed for mutual self interests
I'd imagine Turkey aggressing Syria makes giving S300s a harder decision for Russia. They're probably more influential than Syria, hence them having s400s (I think the only foreign country to have them?)
Even in terms of capitalism, it's so dumb to sell a NATO country your state of the art air defense system. Especially one as shady as Turkey. Turkey has several times demonstrated they act against Russia's interests and having even taken over chunks of Syria through extremist proxies which threatens Russian access to ports.
But then again, there is the lenin quote about capitalists selling rope.
They did it to win over Turkey over some important issue (I forgot) + drew them away from Patriot battery sales
And Turkey "thanked" them by agreeing to NATO expansion.
Yep, Russia of today has no principles. It's only because their opponent in Ukraine is NATO that they are worthy of the slightly bit of critical support they get.
I wouldn't say this means Russia have no principles, this fact more points on Turkey having none whatsoever and playing on both sides because their strategic importance and both sides just have to entertain and bribe them, NATO is also allowing them more leeway than any other member.
Ah I see your viewpoint. I still maintain they don't either, perhaps because I am comparing them relative to the USSR, and perhaps unfairly.
Fair enough, though dialectically we should get rid of such sentiments in analysis as it allows for anachronisms to set in. We all know USSR would be better but it sadly don't exist now and we have to deal with what it is.
Agreed. I would be lying if I said I was looking at this totally logically.
Hmmmm, a whole host of regional conflicts around the world escalating all at once. Where have we seen that before?
And israel is involved in each one of these. They don't seem to be much of "builders" as they claim.
24+ hours since this happened and its just now set in how absurdly brazen an act of open warfare this is. Not that I particularly want WW3 to escalate this month, but how can Iran respond with anything less than retaliatory strikes directly on Israeli controlled territory ?
Re: act of war comments,
NATO destroyed China's embassy during the bombing of Belgrade in 1999 and China didn't declare war. While it is grounds for declaration of war, Iran is unlikely to do so.
I agree with you, but if Iran wasn't thinking much about having nukes they probably should take this as a sign of things to come if they don't get some. Unless they do act on this aggression, even if only diplomatically/economically.
Not really sure they can.
The zionist spies have them infiltrated and at the first real sign they're actually pursuing weapons enrichment the US and the zionists will invade or start bombing them and if it comes down to it there is a non-zero chance the zionists use nuclear weapons. Remember the zionists have been assassinating Iran's nuclear scientists for their civilian program for decades now right inside Iran. Much as it might help them stave off a full US invasion if they could snap their fingers and have 100 of them tomorrow, these types of weapons require testing and time and the moment a test goes off so I think will isntreal because that's the end of their regional hegemony and they know they can drag the US into a war.
