• Display name@feddit.nu
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        7 months ago

        Meh, can you really say that it's the proletarian dictatorship anymore when Cuba now has a privileged elite defending it's grip on power against the poor majority? It's more like they have become the bourgeoisie.

              • Display name@feddit.nu
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                7 months ago

                Ah okey ^^ but that's my point. The revolution abolished the then existing classes but now the party has cemented into the now ruling class. They enjoy the privileges and aggregate all the power to themselves where the now again born under class can't do anything. I understand what you mean but I think we have to see Cuba for the state its in, not the promise of what it would become.

                • я не из калининграда@lemmy.ml
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                  7 months ago

                  im sorry, but you have been propagandized. the things you said are nothing but mere repetitions of cia lies about cuba, parroted since the 60s. please try learning about the actual conditions in cuba before and after the revolution before giving any statements.

                  no investigation no right to speak

                  • Display name@feddit.nu
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                    7 months ago

                    Well I'm not going to travel to Cuba for the sake of an internet discussion xD But it is true that political opposition is forbidden and the only allowed party is the communist, right?

                    • ExotiqueMatter@lemmygrad.ml
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                      7 months ago

                      Well I’m not going to travel to Cuba for the sake of an internet discussion

                      You don't need to, it's very easy to find documentation on the subject for free online if you are just willing to actually learn about it.

                      But it is true that political opposition is forbidden and the only allowed party is the communist, right?

                      No it's not, not only are other parties and independent candidates allowed, but the communist party isn't allowed to present their candidates to the elections because candidates to the elections are not nominated by their party but by the peoples of their community, the communist party do end up having their members picked for the elections because the party is overwhelmingly popular but there is nothing to guaranty that any of them will get in.

                      • Display name@feddit.nu
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                        7 months ago

                        But how democratic is the process really if there's no platform to voice different opinions (not saying that once a decision is reach not everyone should adhere it) and to form an independent opinion? It's agree with us or else.

                        I can't say I know how many of the Cubans are party members but I guess it's not a majority of the population? And that's what I mean when I say that the political power is aggregated to the party. Even if there was a free debate inside the party they still don't allow competition for the power, just like the income or wealth limitations functioned to keep the proletariat away from power in the early days of democracy.

                        • ExotiqueMatter@lemmygrad.ml
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                          7 months ago

                          Different opinions can be voiced in the party itself, democratic centralism is summarized as "diversity in opinions, unity in actions" ideas can be freely discussed, debated, voted, compromised on, etc but once the party reach a democratic consensus the party as a whole must go through with the decision unless the party as a whole change it's mind democratically.

                    • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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                      7 months ago

                      But it is true that political opposition is forbidden and the only allowed party is the communist, right?

                      Calling for the overthrow of the entire government apparatus is forbidden there, as it is everywhere, but opposing particular policies and platforms is normal.

        • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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          7 months ago

          I'm sure you have some kind of a source for such an outlandish claim. How much time do you spend looking at the compensation of Cuban politicians?

          • Display name@feddit.nu
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            7 months ago

            You could probably understand the reasoning if you read the rest of the thread. What kind of compensation do you have in mind?

            • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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              7 months ago

              I've read the thread. You have no source and you have not even tried to educate yourself on the basics of the Cuban government. You invented an accusation out of thin air and are somehow surprised people don't uncritically believe it.

              • Display name@feddit.nu
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                7 months ago

                Alright, what do you request a source for? Can't say I'm surprised at others not agreeing in a discussion. Do you usually get surprised by that?

                • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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                  7 months ago

                  Cuba now has a privileged elite defending it's grip on power against the poor majority

                  Source this.

                  You have done zero investigation into how well off Cuban leaders are compared to the average Cuban. You have done zero investigation into how this compares to peer countries.

                  You just made it up because it sounds like a Bad Country thing, someone told you once that Cuba is a Bad Country, and you never bothered to learn about the place yourself.

                  • Display name@feddit.nu
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                    7 months ago

                    Ok, so the communist party says who can be in the Nation Assembly. The communist party sits on all the political power just by having the power over appointment. There are no free candidacy for the national assembly, effectively aggregating all power to themselves making them the de facto ruling class. See the issue?

                    • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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                      7 months ago

                      Still no sources on anything, and you're not even staying on the topic at hand.

                      Cuba now has a privileged elite defending it's grip on power against the poor majority

                      Source this.

                    • TheLastHero [none/use name]
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                      7 months ago

                      how does any of that make them "bourgeoisie" or the "privileged elite"? Nations have different political systems, you shouldn't expect them all to be organized like the corrupt American system unless you are an imperialist. And it's particularly offensive to want to impose American political values on Cuba, a former American colony who righteously broke free of those chains.

                    • davel [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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                      7 months ago

                      The people in powerful positions in the Communist Party got there because people voted them in. What’s hard to understand here?

                      You know who is the ruling class in capitalist countries, right? It’s the capitalists. It doesn’t matter how egalitarian the political system appears on paper, because de-facto the capitalist class rules.

        • Display name@feddit.nu
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          7 months ago

          Ah thanks. Maybe should have used the proper authoritarian. Dictatorship is just a much easier and more widely recognized term no?

          • я не из калининграда@lemmy.ml
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            7 months ago

            well, every state is authoritarian. thats part of the self preservation of any governance, be it progressive or reactionary. if you wanna abolish states alltogether ask the anarchists, since i am an ml and think that authoritarian measures are good for the liberation of mankind.

            • Display name@feddit.nu
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              7 months ago

              Haha yeah in a sense maybe. But the authoritarian meaning is that there's no free or equal competition for the power so I mean there's quite a difference between states where there are authoritan and democratic countries.

              • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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                7 months ago

                equal competition for the power

                Show me any state where there is an "equal competition for power" in any general sense. The Democrats and Republicans having similar degrees of power means nothing but a duopoly if they each exist above democracy as private entities (and they do) and there is no "equal" competition with more progressive groups.

      • IHATESMOKINGCHRONIC [any]
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        7 months ago

        Heidegger and Hannah Arendt will never answer for the crimes they have committed against your brainpan

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