Honestly, seeing highly educated people on Instagram mourning her death with the underlines of "well, it's not technically democratic but it's a lot more democratic than our country" is so so so weird.

I mean, some of the third world countries are really shit in terms of democracy and quality of life. But seeing the argument of "they still follow Magna Carta and our leaders don't care about the constitution" especially pisses me off. Whenever that old old document is discussed, I feel the "educated" people are having a non-american West Wing moment with saying how important it is.

It literally was an agreement between a king and lords, nothing more and nothing less. I think it's insulting to the actual labour unionists and suffragists who bled for constitutional freedoms when people keep talking about Magna Carta like it was the original sliced bread.

I feel it was a cop-out, for creating a cool and monarchy-enabling version of justifying the constitutional reforms implemented during the 19th century in order to keep the facade of Britishness.

This is my first effort post, please be gentle.

  • TreadOnMe [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    True. And that is all that technocrat liberals learn about (or bother to remember) and because they were good little piggies at the educational trough (which is why they are now "highly educated") that is what they will repeat ad nauseum, even if they barely understand how their own government works, let alone how a foreign English government actually functions. It's hard to get people to understand that almost all government, in whatever form, is mostly just a series of patronage systems, and that what makes Western governments 'better' is that they have managed to, over time and truely horrifying amounts of propoganda, obscure those patronage systems from the public eye, even though everybody who works within it understands how it works.

    • premier_zabrinoff [he/him]
      hexagon
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      2 years ago

      The funnier detail is, these highly educated people around me do not learn about Magna Carta in the education system. Other parts of the world doesn't suck the dick of Magna Carta like the Anglosphere. They literally just absorb the importance of Magna Carta from pop culture or online from westerners.

      Also, your last sentence chefs kiss.

  • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    also if you actually read the magna carta it transfers power from the king to the barons it's not anything

  • infuziSporg [e/em/eir]
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    2 years ago

    It literally was an agreement between a king and lords, nothing more and nothing less.

    This reads like "And then the king and the lords made a friendly decision together".

    It wasn't that. It was the nobles cornering the king and using a collective threat of force to coerce the king, who'd previously had near-absolute authority over them, to make a law that would devolve some of his power to them.

    It's a straightforward example of how collective and direct action gets the goods, no matter what class you are.

    Our response should be "You know what they did to make the Magna Carta happen? We should do that too."