Just putting this here cause I found it a good overview of a pretty confusing situation I had no prior knowledge about

  • drwankingstein@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    8 months ago

    Trying to remain unbias, the super TLDR;

    • FDO decided that they didn't like vaxry's community and told him to fix or action will be taken against him (Banning from FDO) for violating their (FDO's)
    • Vaxry said, This is my community, It's not an FDO project, and is not under control of FDO, Doesn't fall under purview of FDO's COC, I will not be bullied. And posted the interaction.
    • FDO's COC committy didn't like that and banned vaxry from FDO.

    Time for my personal bias Im not sure how I can hide this other then spoiler, but ignore it if you don't want my very bias opinion;

    spoiler

    FDO for sure over stepped their bounds. FDO did wrongfully invoke their COC against hyprland's community, Their COC is extremely clear on it's "scope" https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/CodeOfConduct/ under which hyprland absolutely doesn't fall under. That being said, OFC FDO retains the right to ban anyone from their services as they please (I'll explain why this is extremely bad below). But they invoked the COC which is extremely important here.

    Vaxry absolutely acted unprofessionally in publicizing this, on the other hand, I'm really glad he did because it's insane that FDO is attacking the hyprland community in the first place, which is an extremely self isolating community. It's very much "what happens in the discord is a discord thing". Outside of the discord, hyprland community is perfectly fine. I've not seen a single "Hyprland fan" go around shitting on anything else (granted this is hard to judge since you need to be given context of someone shitting on something, to be a hyprland fan), on the contary, I have seen many people publically shittying on vaxry on multiple forums.

    FDO was in their right to ban Vaxry for publicizing the emails, but I don't think it was a good idea at all. They essentially punished Vaxry for airing their dirty laundry. Proving him right in the end. It's important to note, that given context, Drew's articles on Vaxry are insanely biased against him, with the intent to drum up hate towards vaxry (going so far as to imply Vaxry would call people the N-Word when giving support to people by using extremely misleading and cherry picked context)

    The original emails are best explained by vaxry himself so check out his blog.

    In the end, Vaxry acted unprofessionally and got banned for it, but FDO acted equally unprofessionally, and their actions greatly overstepped the rights they had (as far as enforcing COC goes, their original email)

    Now WHY is FDO banning vaxry so important? Pretty much everything that matters in terms of linux gui development is on FDO's services. Wayland protocol discussion, Mesa, Wlroots etc. by banning vaxry from these services, he is pretty much no longer able to directly interact with the wayland community. (At least not without ban evasion or someone else acting as a proxy)

    EDIT: I forgot my conclusions.

    I strongly feel like FDO is using their position as the people who control linux to push their politics unto others. Hence Vaxry's original blog post How Freedesktop/RedHat harass other projects into submission

    • krimson@feddit.nl
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      8 months ago

      Thanks. A lot of drama then. I’ve been in the discord and on github for a while and from that I can tell vaxry has a bit of a “personality”, as many good developers have. Nothing wrong with that. I like Hyprland a lot, I have been using it daily for 2 years or so and any bugs I reported got fixed really fast. In the end it is a solid project and that’s what really matters.

      Let’s hope this thing blows over quickly.

      • gnuhaut@lemmy.ml
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        8 months ago

        I’ve been in the discord and on github for a while

        Oh a real life member of the hyprland community, let's see if the rumors are true.

        has a bit of a “personality”, as many good developers have. Nothing wrong with that.

        Well, that's some first-grade bigot apologia. I guess that discord really is bigot central.

        Let’s hope this thing blows over quickly.

        Is it because your little clubhouse is drawing too much negative attention?

        • krimson@feddit.nl
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          8 months ago

          You sound like you would be an awesome addition to any community really. I take it you went all in on this thing?

          I’m not picking sides, defending anyone nor do I give a flying fuck about all this drama. I only shared my observations. As long as I can keep using Hyprland I’m happy. And if not, another cool tiling wm will popup. Bye!

    • stepanzak@iusearchlinux.fyi
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      8 months ago

      From Vaxry's second blogpost:

      However, it was brought to our attention apparently you have decided to take to posting about this to your blog.

      I have full rights to do so, just like you apparently had the right to post it to your mailing list.

      I didn't dug any deeper, but it seems like Lyude also published the communication between her an Vaxry, if I understand it correctly.