• zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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    8 months ago

    Perhaps we could make the lives and livelihoods of young men in the rest of Europe more precarious, then offer a financial incentive to charge through mine fields in contested territory?

    • RyanGosling [none/use name]
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      8 months ago

      I was thinking of business and tactical opportunities, and I’ve proposed that the US send homeless people to fight in order to secure housing if they survive. I’ve sent my proposal to governor Gavin Newsom and am waiting for his response.

      • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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        8 months ago

        send homeless people to fight in order to secure housing

        Okay, now hold on a minute. Let's not try anything so extreme.

        Perhaps they can fight for an opportunity to win housing as part of a raffle. Or they can get a coupon for a 10% discount on a house, assuming they buy it in an underdeveloped neighborhood and live there for at least three years while holding down a job in the service sector.

  • dkr567 [comrade/them, he/him]
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    8 months ago

    The nazis in their regime sure as hell don't give a fuck about their current generation of people.

    • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml
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      8 months ago

      Decimation is killing 1/10, so even looking at that graph its long past it, more like only 1/3rd left from what should be. Though i guess that graph include emmigrants (if it didn't then the war losses would have to be like 3-5 times of the estimates), Ukraine also lost millions to that after 2022, again disproportionately young men seeking jobs in EU after their country got shocktherapied by maidan gang, and many already found new life there so they won't be back.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmygrad.ml
      hexagon
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      8 months ago

      A small flaw in that plan is that they didn't plan on Russia actually getting stronger after the war. At this point, I don't think the west will get to occupy any portion of Ukraine when the dust settles.

      • RyanGosling [none/use name]
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        8 months ago

        Well the alternative plan is to shell and flood Ukraine with uranium artillery and ammunition. That way the ruzzyianz can’t utilize the occupied Ukrainian land. Epic own really

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmygrad.ml
          hexagon
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          8 months ago

          When the west started quickly sending depleted uranium and cluster munitions, it should've been crystal clear to everybody that the west didn't give a shit about Ukraine. The fact that Russia chose to do attrition across a relatively fixed line will mitigate the damage from that though.

      • Kaplya
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        8 months ago

        The land in Ukraine aren’t meant to be held physically. They are just vehicles to launder money around and suck in the money from naive investors.

        In other words, it’s a scheme where the plan was always to run away with the money and never intended to actually hand over the land to you. It’s great to do so in a war-torn country where laws could no longer be enforced, the perfect place for shady businesses to happen.

        This is also why the Republicans are so desperate to stop the war in Ukraine, because the Democrats are absolutely running wild with the money laundering there with dozens of billions spent in Ukraine over the past two years.

  • Kaplya
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    8 months ago

    Where did all the American and European neo-Nazi paramilitaries who volunteered for Ukraine go? Have they all been de-Nazified by Russian cruise missiles already?

    • Awoo [she/her]
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      8 months ago

      Most of those went back home within days of reaching Ukraine. A lot spread stories of their experience to get others to not go too. They realised it was a complete and total shit show and turned around.

      The others are de-nazified.

      • Kaplya
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        8 months ago

        I know about the Reddit Brigade, but I meant the actual neo-Nazis from the US and Europe who trained with the Azovs during the Ukrainian Civil War back in 2014-15. Did they volunteer and got de-nazified as well?

        • Awoo [she/her]
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          8 months ago

          Most either didn't go or if they did they died at Azovstal.

          The biggest problem in Europe are the italian fascists that were building connections at the start of the war. It's very likely that they received weapons and explosives.

          The might be some up in Poland too but I have a harder time understanding the state of smuggling and the borders there, seems stronger.

          • Mardoniush [she/her]
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            8 months ago

            Also Azov has refused to fight at Avdiivka or Chasiv Yar, and is now openly defying the Ukraine command by keeping forces in Kiev

        • trumpetnoises [none/use name]
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          8 months ago

          new grayzone just dropped

          https://thegrayzone.com/2024/04/07/centuria-ukraines-western-neo-nazi-army/

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmygrad.ml
      hexagon
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      8 months ago

      Yeah, a lot of them are dead now, and most of the rest ran back home when they realized that fighting an actual army isn't quite the same as hunting civilians for sport.

    • Mardoniush [she/her]
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      8 months ago

      Others have mentioned that many took one look and realised they'd be cannon fodder or third line guards and not ubermemschen driving tanks across the steppe and went straight home.

      But also, the attack on the foriegn brigade training camp seems to have been far more damaging than admitted. One anarchist who came back disillusioned talked about many thousands of casualties from a few weeks attacks during training, and the rest deserted back home.

      The death rates are also misleading since maiming is much more common with modern medicine. There was a recent article about AFU veteran in Chasiv Yar and he's lost a leg and a third of his company have some kind of permanent injury. New recruits tend to desert.

      Now Russia has some similar issues, but it also has a lot more give.

  • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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    8 months ago
    1. Petition EU and US to pass laws forcing Elon to divulge identities of X users.
    2. Issue conscription notices to every user who has/had a NAFO dog avatar.
    3. ???
    4. Profit.
  • RyanGosling [none/use name]
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    8 months ago

    the-plan The plan? Require all Slavic citizens and migrants in the US and Europe, as well as Hispanic migrants and homeless people, to fight for Ukraine or else face deportation. Either do that or else the Cheeto Concentration Camps maybe-later-honey

  • Beaver [he/him]
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    8 months ago

    Damn, I wonder what happened in Ukraine in the 90s that caused the birth rate to drop so much gorby-sad

  • moondog [he/him]
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    8 months ago

    Can anyone share a sans-paywall link? Or if there's a good way to bypass it on firefox, do share that please lenin-confused
    (note: i tried this one and it didnt work)