https://www.npr.org/2024/04/11/1243982287/fbi-agents-housing-costs

"There are multiple stressors that folks experience," said Caroline Otto, assistant director of the FBI's Resource Planning office. "We have heard very compelling and heart-wrenching stories across the workforce in these areas."

Have they tried not eating food?

  • Awoo [she/her]
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    7 months ago

    Holy fuck FOUR HOUR COMMUTES???????

    These people are radicalisable if you give them the right conversation. Long commutes fucking destroy you emotionally. They are horrific and you hate your life completely and totally. All of these people could be flipped.

    I don't give a fuck about your anti-cop positions. The conditions described are enough to flip them.

    Please consider this as a real possibility, there is a reason the ruling class banned unions for police in the UK and it's because they were siding with the left at a time where revolution was genuinely dangerously close.

    • Sons_of_Ferrix
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      7 months ago

      These people are radicalisable if you give them the right conversation.

      Lol no they aren't

      • Awoo [she/her]
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        7 months ago

        They definitely are. It's just a question of whether it is worth pursuing over other options.

        • Sons_of_Ferrix
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          7 months ago

          They really aren't. Between pro-US propaganda and the fact that the good times for these people are in pretty recent memory, pointing out how shit sucks in American now is not going to make most Americans, especially the kind who become FBI agents, embrace international socialism. Instead they'll want to strengthen US hegemony through more blatant imperialism so the treat train can get rolling again. It's why the most popular form of "leftism" in the US Stan's NATO.

    • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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      7 months ago

      I hope they die on their commutes. Fuck the FBI and fuck pigs. I will not offer a second of sympathy for them. The feds already know what left wing politics are. A conversation wouldn't tell them anything they don't know already in their stupid gargoyle brains. They're literally an organization built on suppressing labor rights, they've heard of unions before because they're trained on how to destroy them. They're not going to be swayed from someone saying the NLRB will help them get shorter commutes to go to their piggy job.

      Also we have police unions in the USA and they're massively evil

      • Awoo [she/her]
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        7 months ago

        The feds already know what left wing politics are

        They genuinely do not. Any quiet conversation with an off duty cop nets you insight into this. I get that's not something any leftist willingly seeks out but I'm sure there will be at least a few who have had such conversations. The majority of them have genuinely no idea beyond the scope of the training giving to them, which is a page full of random symbols under the title "extremist ideologies", among other incredibly crappy materials.

      • Awoo [she/her]
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        7 months ago

        The issue here is anti-cop positions. Ok so cops are against the working class but we should develop a theory around this for cop-traitors subjected to bad enough conditions will flip. I'm totally serious that these people could turn traitor if given even the slightest bit of sympathy under those conditions.

        This is only going to be viable in the rich cities though. New York, LA, etc. Places where cost of living is going to be absurdly higher than they can afford. The agents posted out in rural areas aren't going to have these conditions.

        • Alaskaball [comrade/them]A
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          7 months ago

          Roughly a hundred or so years ago I would say this may have been something that could be a side-project for those who take interest in that area as it was right around the period cop unions were being established and were being fought against by the state as being a "Bolshevik plot to communize the police" but now the established culture of the non-federal and federal law enforcement are so deeply entertwined with the interests of the State that I can only think the ripe time to attempt active recruiting among the current law enforcement forces is in the event of a civil war where the Communist party is an active player.

          We are, on the u.s side, too small and insignificant to even dare focus our meager resources on anything other than rebuilding our roots in the working class. Time spent on trying to radicalize a handful of police is time not spent on organizing working class power.

          I won't tell any volunteers who want to pursue trying to flip poor law enforcement to not do so if it is truly something they take interest in, but I won't burn my time nor my party's time on things that have lesser importance to building the tinder for sparking the revolution and building towards a Soviet America

          • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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            7 months ago

            also I wanna point out that in total, there are around 136,000 people working for federal law enforcement, around 35,000 of them at the FBI. In comparison there are 508,000 US Postal Service workers and somewhere around 4,000,000 teachers. So even if even we wanted to sway over the federal piggies, they represent a very small cross section even of public employees. Our time would literally be better spent talking to the 52,000 vending machine service workers in America.

            • Tunnelvision [they/them]
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              7 months ago

              People also fail to consider how many pigs will become traitors to the ruling class when the chips are actually down and they might have to actually suffer for their crimes because they are actually undisciplined cowards. You don’t need to sway any kind of pig because more often than not that’s exactly what they are.

              • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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                7 months ago

                Yeah maybe they'll be traitors in some hypothetical future where their masters stop funding them or they're facing the threat of organized masses. To be a pig in current day America you have to be either clueless or a entity constructed out of raw, vibrating racism. Neither of which is gonna work for us.

                I do uphold the current idea that police recruitment rates right now are so shit because of political organizing, especially since 2020. People despise cops now. People who want to be cops want respect, or like you said, they're undisciplined cowards and don't want to face a public who actively hates them.

            • hotcouchguy [he/him]
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              7 months ago

              That saying about how our rulers have names and addresses? Postal workers already know.