I still don't understand why they did this. As much as they joke I always still thought our Chapo boys were pretty intersectional and not class reductionist trash.
This was right around the time that "cancel culture" was crystallizing into something the mainstream was willing to weaponize as a talking point, and I think some of the Chapo group and their media orbit started getting clammy about getting cancelled around that time. That Harper's Ferry letter, and what have you. IMO, they were trying to contribute their stance to the "discourse" of the time, and their obvious-but-unstated worry about getting cancelled and losing their meal ticket caused them to hew towards views like this.
They seem to have mostly course-corrected in the last year ('they' being the main three of the show, Taibbi is off the deep end lmao), but there was definitely a time period between the BLM protests and the peak of pandemic fatigue in mid-to-late 2021 where they were really starting to lean into their distaste of liberals a bit too mindlessly, and they were popping out some weird fucking takes because of it. Felix all but explicitly turning into an anti-masker and having a meltdown on Twitter about having to wear a mask in the gym, and Christman having that phase where he was giga-braining his way into why lifting the lockdown and giving up on vaccine mandates was fine, actually, was a real fucking low point for the vibes of the show.
I've listened to them since they did an episode making fun of the Chuds at Charlottesville and you are right in the respect that they had a lot of hope and faith place in the Bernie campaign. With no real game plan aside from that tbh
It is very much in their class interest to swallow without chewing these bad, inherently right-wing concepts. And once you have done that you are working with the wrong mental building blocks and can only produce trash.
Usually when a leftist says "class reductionist" they mean it explicitly as a criticism of the way someone dismisses other issues beyond class in their analysis, not as a way to say "I hate working class unity"
So focusing on improving the lot of the working class helps all marginalized people specifically
Right, that's true. Imo that's a key point to emphasize as an intersectional Left movement to separate ourselves from lib slackctivism. But fake? Definitely not. There are prominent figures on the left both online and offline who take that idea to its furthest extent, and end up denying support to less class-oriented but still benevolent movements. One example I can think of is when twitter marxists blanket-denounce Landback as "idpol". Not to mention the "leftists" who use extreme class reductionism as a cover for legit racism.
You are speaking from my heart exactly. I have no problem with working class policies and actually prefer them, but I see no problem in lending my support to anti-racist or anti-fascist orgs. These are all my comrades. You and I seem to think on the same wavelength.
This is exactly what I meant lol. I figured I might get some knee jerk flack from using the term, but what else do I call somebody who dismisses anything beyond class issues? Class is always the central tenant to me, but dismissing anything outside that sect is in fact "class reductionist".
I still don't understand why they did this. As much as they joke I always still thought our Chapo boys were pretty intersectional and not class reductionist trash.
This was right around the time that "cancel culture" was crystallizing into something the mainstream was willing to weaponize as a talking point, and I think some of the Chapo group and their media orbit started getting clammy about getting cancelled around that time. That Harper's Ferry letter, and what have you. IMO, they were trying to contribute their stance to the "discourse" of the time, and their obvious-but-unstated worry about getting cancelled and losing their meal ticket caused them to hew towards views like this.
They seem to have mostly course-corrected in the last year ('they' being the main three of the show, Taibbi is off the deep end lmao), but there was definitely a time period between the BLM protests and the peak of pandemic fatigue in mid-to-late 2021 where they were really starting to lean into their distaste of liberals a bit too mindlessly, and they were popping out some weird fucking takes because of it. Felix all but explicitly turning into an anti-masker and having a meltdown on Twitter about having to wear a mask in the gym, and Christman having that phase where he was giga-braining his way into why lifting the lockdown and giving up on vaccine mandates was fine, actually, was a real fucking low point for the vibes of the show.
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I've listened to them since they did an episode making fun of the Chuds at Charlottesville and you are right in the respect that they had a lot of hope and faith place in the Bernie campaign. With no real game plan aside from that tbh
It is very much in their class interest to swallow without chewing these bad, inherently right-wing concepts. And once you have done that you are working with the wrong mental building blocks and can only produce trash.
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Usually when a leftist says "class reductionist" they mean it explicitly as a criticism of the way someone dismisses other issues beyond class in their analysis, not as a way to say "I hate working class unity"
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Right, that's true. Imo that's a key point to emphasize as an intersectional Left movement to separate ourselves from lib slackctivism. But fake? Definitely not. There are prominent figures on the left both online and offline who take that idea to its furthest extent, and end up denying support to less class-oriented but still benevolent movements. One example I can think of is when twitter marxists blanket-denounce Landback as "idpol". Not to mention the "leftists" who use extreme class reductionism as a cover for legit racism.
You are speaking from my heart exactly. I have no problem with working class policies and actually prefer them, but I see no problem in lending my support to anti-racist or anti-fascist orgs. These are all my comrades. You and I seem to think on the same wavelength.
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This is exactly what I meant lol. I figured I might get some knee jerk flack from using the term, but what else do I call somebody who dismisses anything beyond class issues? Class is always the central tenant to me, but dismissing anything outside that sect is in fact "class reductionist".
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