She's definitely much better than Taibbi but her recent "I got cancelled by The Hill" whistle-stop tour of the podcasts is really edging into Matt territory.
Well she was censored for talking about Israel as an apartheid state, which is a lot more true and commonly censored viewpoint than the stuff Matt cares about
As a general rule, you can basically make any (intelligent) criticism you want of "cancel culture" if your cancellation was over support for Palestine. I.e her, Norm Finkelstein
I suppose I dislike the entire concept of or term "canceling". Every time some chud claims they got canceled it's just self promotion, they immediately get a boost in popularity and get invited into all kinds of right wing spaces. They'll even quit their jobs so they can claim to have been canceled. Claiming to be canceled is just a pivot for most people in the commentariat. Using the term to describe getting fired from a right leaning fake "centrist" media outlet for having the right take on Israel is just.. what happens to leftists and has always happened to leftists.
I wouldn't so casually dismiss the efficacy of blacklisting because conservatives have their own little greenhouse ecosystem of toxic punditry. I see "cancel culture" as a simple consequence of consolidation in media and technology. Access to any kind of audience is predicated on some kind of wealthy patron or political organ backing and promoting you.
Using the term to describe getting fired from a right leaning fake “centrist” media outlet for having the right take on Israel is just… what happens to leftists and has always happened to leftists.
Leftists are definitely a favorite target. But the term applies to pretty much anyone that cuts across the interests of capital. Halper has every right to be pissed at how she was burned by the agency, particularly after they laundered her image to promote their media label as outside the mainstream. But that's also the nature of the game. You can't just stay in your hot house forever. You need to collaborate with other (often fake "centrist") outlets in order to improve the range of your advocacy. They need a diversity of opinions and speakers because they can't cultivate a target audience without it.
In many ways, Getting Cancelled is part of the game. She makes a bigger splash getting fired than she did pissing another op-ed into the river of content. And you've once again got people talking about Israel As An Apartheid State, which was the whole goal of her piece.
She makes a bigger splash getting fired than she did pissing another op-ed into the river of content.
This is what is annoying to me. The pageantry of the cancellation display. If she were straightforward about it I wouldn't find it so distasteful. It's the same kayfabe that the right wing uses, and to me it implies she thinks her readers/viewers are dupes.
This is what is annoying to me. The pageantry of the cancellation display.
The pageantry is what draws people's attention.
It’s the same kayfabe that the right wing uses, and to me it implies she thinks her readers/viewers are dupes.
I wouldn't call it kayfabe. She tested the boundaries and when she hit them she made a big noise. If she'd submitted this post without anyone complaining, she'd have pushed the line farther with her next one. Like someone probing an electric fence to see if its on. She definitely still got shocked. And if she made a bigger fuss about being zapped than you think is appropriate... well... again, that's just how you get attention when you're in the media business. If you don't scream, nobody hears you.
I disagree that she has to pretend to be shocked and blindsided in order to publicize that she was fired for being right. I have no interest in journalists who play-act things for attention. I'm confident she could still do the podcast rounds and talk about how inevitable it was that she would be fired for this and how this kind of opinion is why leftists are locked out of participation in major media outlets, and the effect would be the same without the chud trappings.
The play acting is the thing I am identifying as chud trappings. She's a journalist, she knows this happens to people with good opinions on Israel, etc and so forth as I've already said. I don't know more about journalism than she does but she doesn't need to pretend to be shocked to get me to sympathize.
The play acting is the thing I am identifying as chud trappings.
There's nothing playful about it.
She really got canned for really writing a real Op-Ed that really called Israel an apartheid state.
she knows this happens to people with good opinions on Israel
Part of the outrage she expressed was in how uncontroversial her statements were. So uncontroversial that Israeli state bureaucracts were here sources.
she doesn’t need to pretend to be shocked
She has every reason to be outraged. What they did to silence her was outrageous.
Then I guess I give her too much credit, and perhaps I do know more about journalism than she does? I'm inclined to be more charitable and assume I don't, so here I am.
He really does. I didn't realize quite how based Katie Halper was until he took a break from their show and got Aaron Mate to fill in
She's definitely much better than Taibbi but her recent "I got cancelled by The Hill" whistle-stop tour of the podcasts is really edging into Matt territory.
Well she was censored for talking about Israel as an apartheid state, which is a lot more true and commonly censored viewpoint than the stuff Matt cares about
As a general rule, you can basically make any (intelligent) criticism you want of "cancel culture" if your cancellation was over support for Palestine. I.e her, Norm Finkelstein
wasn’t he discredited for being transphobic? his palestine takes were pretty good iirc
"discredited"
I mean yeah, being transphobic is a pretty huge dealbreaker.
Oh yeah no doubt she was in the right, but it's The Hill and she's no dummy - surely she knows its purpose is to peel radlibs off to the new right.
I mean, she was cancelled for saying "Israel Bad". I wish this was the hill Matt was planning to die on.
I suppose I dislike the entire concept of or term "canceling". Every time some chud claims they got canceled it's just self promotion, they immediately get a boost in popularity and get invited into all kinds of right wing spaces. They'll even quit their jobs so they can claim to have been canceled. Claiming to be canceled is just a pivot for most people in the commentariat. Using the term to describe getting fired from a right leaning fake "centrist" media outlet for having the right take on Israel is just.. what happens to leftists and has always happened to leftists.
I wouldn't so casually dismiss the efficacy of blacklisting because conservatives have their own little greenhouse ecosystem of toxic punditry. I see "cancel culture" as a simple consequence of consolidation in media and technology. Access to any kind of audience is predicated on some kind of wealthy patron or political organ backing and promoting you.
Leftists are definitely a favorite target. But the term applies to pretty much anyone that cuts across the interests of capital. Halper has every right to be pissed at how she was burned by the agency, particularly after they laundered her image to promote their media label as outside the mainstream. But that's also the nature of the game. You can't just stay in your hot house forever. You need to collaborate with other (often fake "centrist") outlets in order to improve the range of your advocacy. They need a diversity of opinions and speakers because they can't cultivate a target audience without it.
In many ways, Getting Cancelled is part of the game. She makes a bigger splash getting fired than she did pissing another op-ed into the river of content. And you've once again got people talking about Israel As An Apartheid State, which was the whole goal of her piece.
This is what is annoying to me. The pageantry of the cancellation display. If she were straightforward about it I wouldn't find it so distasteful. It's the same kayfabe that the right wing uses, and to me it implies she thinks her readers/viewers are dupes.
The pageantry is what draws people's attention.
I wouldn't call it kayfabe. She tested the boundaries and when she hit them she made a big noise. If she'd submitted this post without anyone complaining, she'd have pushed the line farther with her next one. Like someone probing an electric fence to see if its on. She definitely still got shocked. And if she made a bigger fuss about being zapped than you think is appropriate... well... again, that's just how you get attention when you're in the media business. If you don't scream, nobody hears you.
I disagree that she has to pretend to be shocked and blindsided in order to publicize that she was fired for being right. I have no interest in journalists who play-act things for attention. I'm confident she could still do the podcast rounds and talk about how inevitable it was that she would be fired for this and how this kind of opinion is why leftists are locked out of participation in major media outlets, and the effect would be the same without the chud trappings.
That's fine. You're entitled to your own media diet.
If complaining that you've been blacklisted flags you as a chud, I'm not sure what you think a chud is.
The play acting is the thing I am identifying as chud trappings. She's a journalist, she knows this happens to people with good opinions on Israel, etc and so forth as I've already said. I don't know more about journalism than she does but she doesn't need to pretend to be shocked to get me to sympathize.
There's nothing playful about it.
She really got canned for really writing a real Op-Ed that really called Israel an apartheid state.
Part of the outrage she expressed was in how uncontroversial her statements were. So uncontroversial that Israeli state bureaucracts were here sources.
She has every reason to be outraged. What they did to silence her was outrageous.
Then I guess I give her too much credit, and perhaps I do know more about journalism than she does? I'm inclined to be more charitable and assume I don't, so here I am.
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