That is a recent phenomena, in the last 6 years or so. A by-product of the large tent philosophy of the Bernie social democrat movement. During the development of the ideology (particularly within the DSA itself) that was not the case.
Ok? I never claimed otherwise? I mean, back in his day, Lenin’s party were Social Democrats!!! Words change meaning. You’re (also) arguing points no one is making.
That's my point. You have made a post to claim Hasan for one ideology or another, when he doesn't have a party to claim ideological allegiance to. His claims towards democratic socialism are well and good, but don't fit historically with the beliefs of American democratic socialists, and it's not as if he follows the DSA party line of modern democratic socialists. He is at least a leftist, but trying to pin down what exactly he is doesn't matter unless you think he will be the voice of the revolution. He's just a swagged out pog-daddy until then.
Edit: Also, Marx and Lenin were Social Democrats in a time before socialism, utopian or otherwise, had a coherent ideology. Also at a time when being a social democrat meant that you would man the barricades against monarchy. I doubt modern social democrats would do the same if a monarchy sprung up.
It’s not even like we disagree. Hasan, as far as he has an ideology, is a Democratic Socialist. Why? Because he says so, and there is no indication he’s lying. He also believes in Marx’s theory of value (mostly) and Lenin’s theory of imperialism. None of this matters. This whole thing started because someone mentioned how Hasan is better than others but not great and I replied he’s a DemSoc. Here.. At which point someone else jumped in to say he’s a Marxist (implying I’m wrong about him being. DemSoc, as if the two are exclusionary). I then clarified in what sense I think he’s a Marxist and in what senses he’s not. This new person then claimed I was wrong because he’d never heard Hasan say he was a DemSoc and tried to say he knows more than me becuase he’s listened to Hasan for two years. That of course annoyed me so I provided proof of him literally saying he’s a DemSoc at which point this dude starting making up conspiracy theories. This entire thing is pointless. But I’m not going to fucking back down when I’m not wrong.
You can be a Democratic Socialist who agree with Marx’s theory of value and Lenin’s theory of imperialism.
That is a recent phenomena, in the last 6 years or so. A by-product of the large tent philosophy of the Bernie social democrat movement. During the development of the ideology (particularly within the DSA itself) that was not the case.
Ok? I never claimed otherwise? I mean, back in his day, Lenin’s party were Social Democrats!!! Words change meaning. You’re (also) arguing points no one is making.
That's my point. You have made a post to claim Hasan for one ideology or another, when he doesn't have a party to claim ideological allegiance to. His claims towards democratic socialism are well and good, but don't fit historically with the beliefs of American democratic socialists, and it's not as if he follows the DSA party line of modern democratic socialists. He is at least a leftist, but trying to pin down what exactly he is doesn't matter unless you think he will be the voice of the revolution. He's just a swagged out pog-daddy until then.
Edit: Also, Marx and Lenin were Social Democrats in a time before socialism, utopian or otherwise, had a coherent ideology. Also at a time when being a social democrat meant that you would man the barricades against monarchy. I doubt modern social democrats would do the same if a monarchy sprung up.
It’s not even like we disagree. Hasan, as far as he has an ideology, is a Democratic Socialist. Why? Because he says so, and there is no indication he’s lying. He also believes in Marx’s theory of value (mostly) and Lenin’s theory of imperialism. None of this matters. This whole thing started because someone mentioned how Hasan is better than others but not great and I replied he’s a DemSoc. Here.. At which point someone else jumped in to say he’s a Marxist (implying I’m wrong about him being. DemSoc, as if the two are exclusionary). I then clarified in what sense I think he’s a Marxist and in what senses he’s not. This new person then claimed I was wrong because he’d never heard Hasan say he was a DemSoc and tried to say he knows more than me becuase he’s listened to Hasan for two years. That of course annoyed me so I provided proof of him literally saying he’s a DemSoc at which point this dude starting making up conspiracy theories. This entire thing is pointless. But I’m not going to fucking back down when I’m not wrong.
Christ, this is a bunch of silly crap about a man who dresses like a middle schooler.
No he doesn’t.
Fine, like a middle schooler with alot of money.