I only read the abstract and I still have no clue what these funny duddies are talking about, but I thought the general idea was neat

  • CyborgMarx [any, any]
    hexagon
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    2 years ago

    The Fermi paradox asks: in a universe that seems amenable to abiogenesis and the evolution of life leading to technological civilizations, why haven't we seen definitive evidence of extraterrestrial civilizations? We contend that this question presents itself as a ‘paradox’ because there is an implicit assumption that the trajectory of progress can be extrapolated from the past, i.e. that the future is a linear extension of past and current trends. Specifically, civilizations are projected to attain greater energy harnessing capabilities and greater knowledge of the universe until they spread in an unbounded colonialist manner across the galaxy.

    The Kardashev scale is one example of this mode of thinking. This measure of the ‘advancedness’ of civilizations is based on the concept of energy expansions: a Type I civilization uses all of the energy available at the planetary scale; a Type II civilization uses all of the energy available at the planetary system scale and a Type III civilization uses all of the energy available at the galactic scale. It has been argued that once a Type II civilization becomes interstellar, it should spread across the galaxy in a relatively short amount of time. Hence, the lack of evidence of extraterrestrial visitors is widely considered to be consistent with the belief that a Type III civilization does not currently exist in the Milky Way. Additionally, extragalactic observations suggest that Type III civilizations are rare , although this absence may stem from an inability to observe in the appropriate way.

    Two important aspects of biology are missing from Kardashev-like frameworks: (i) evolution is not always gradual and linear, but is impacted by major transitions and ‘punctuated equilibria’ and (ii) the dynamics of city-like living systems in which information flows and energy flows result in superlinear scaling and singularity crises.

    Perhaps Type III civilizations on the Kardashev scale are in an unreachable part of biotechnological state space because most civilizations face burnout at the planetary/sub-planetary scale. When burnout approaches, if Δtwindow < 0, the civilization will necessarily collapse or regress until it iterates into a new cycle. If Δtwindow > 0, the civilization has a chance to consciously transcend into prioritizing homeostasis; otherwise, it will collapse or regress. Hence, there may be very few or no plausible trajectories through biotechnological state space that connect humanity's present state and the region occupied by hypothetical Type III civilizations

    • panopticon [comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      the dynamics of city-like living systems in which information flows and energy flows result in superlinear scaling and singularity crises

      What

      Also, you know, "using all the energy available at the planetary level" sounds like it could describe a disaster scenario. I wonder to what extent the Kardashev scale caused all these civ-style tech bro brainworms about colonizing space and everyone becoming a star citizen, etc.

      Brainworms caused just by the scale existing and defining an ontology for all of human civilization.

      • Llituro [he/him, they/them]
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        2 years ago

        they're saying that in modern cities under capitalism, increasing the size of the city results in an increasingly large increase in the amount of resources necessary to keep it going, and thus, an increasingly common number of technological breakthroughs that must occur to support the increases in resource usage. which is dumb af because they're assuming capitalism and growth are just a thing a normal civilization would do, which others have pointed out is very silly.