The way I see it, the problem is more with distributing fictional (or real, ofc) sexually-explicit media of a real person without their consent.
It's creepy as hell to make it for yourself - don't. But that's not exactly a moral problem so much as a deeply unhealthy approach to relationships. Meanwhile, I'd consider it wrong to, say, read your erotic friendfiction out loud in the school cafeteria.
Would that be altered if you only did this because Tammy threatened to do it and you got bad advice from your mom? Yes. Yes it would.
I disagree. It is a moral problem. It's immoral to literally objectify someone like this, turn them in to an object. It might not cause direct harm to the individual, but the widespread acceptance of this ties directly in to how normative sexual violence is. A society that normalizes this is a society that is making itself comfortable with completely, utterly dehumanizing someone and turning them in to a sex object with no concern at all for that person as a human being.
It might not rise to the point of being called a crime, but this is horrifyingly socially corrosive. This directly increases our alienation and isolation from each other. You can get sexual gratification from someone without ever learning their name, without them ever knowing, by putting them in a machine that strips their clothes off and exposes them to you.
To put it another way; Is being a peeping tom immoral? Is spying on someone while they're naked and have a reasonable expectation of privacy immoral? Is looking at someone's nudes when they did not share them with you immoral?
And if it is, then how does this meaningfully differ?
Is spying on a naked person only a crime if you are caught and it causes them distress? Or is it a crime even if they never know? Is it wrong to put a camera in someone's bathroom, even if they never suspect?
Well for the very last point, you're directly violating their privacy - observing them rather than creating a fictional depiction of them. It's worse, but that doesn't make it okay to create the fictional media. To repeat myself, that's not okay. Don't do it.
It's just not in any way an interaction with another person. The distinction between moral and practical rules is meaningless to me outside of interactions, so I'll leave it at "It's bad; don't do it."
The way I see it, the problem is more with distributing fictional (or real, ofc) sexually-explicit media of a real person without their consent.
It's creepy as hell to make it for yourself - don't. But that's not exactly a moral problem so much as a deeply unhealthy approach to relationships. Meanwhile, I'd consider it wrong to, say, read your erotic friendfiction out loud in the school cafeteria.
Would that be altered if you only did this because Tammy threatened to do it and you got bad advice from your mom? Yes. Yes it would.
I disagree. It is a moral problem. It's immoral to literally objectify someone like this, turn them in to an object. It might not cause direct harm to the individual, but the widespread acceptance of this ties directly in to how normative sexual violence is. A society that normalizes this is a society that is making itself comfortable with completely, utterly dehumanizing someone and turning them in to a sex object with no concern at all for that person as a human being.
It might not rise to the point of being called a crime, but this is horrifyingly socially corrosive. This directly increases our alienation and isolation from each other. You can get sexual gratification from someone without ever learning their name, without them ever knowing, by putting them in a machine that strips their clothes off and exposes them to you.
To put it another way; Is being a peeping tom immoral? Is spying on someone while they're naked and have a reasonable expectation of privacy immoral? Is looking at someone's nudes when they did not share them with you immoral?
And if it is, then how does this meaningfully differ?
Is spying on a naked person only a crime if you are caught and it causes them distress? Or is it a crime even if they never know? Is it wrong to put a camera in someone's bathroom, even if they never suspect?
Well for the very last point, you're directly violating their privacy - observing them rather than creating a fictional depiction of them. It's worse, but that doesn't make it okay to create the fictional media. To repeat myself, that's not okay. Don't do it.
It's just not in any way an interaction with another person. The distinction between moral and practical rules is meaningless to me outside of interactions, so I'll leave it at "It's bad; don't do it."