"Do not use participation in the slave trade as an excuse for whitewashing Jews, unless you are willing to do the same to Arabs and Native Americans. Otherwise, it is nothing more than discrimination. And discrimination against Jews has a name: antisemitism."
counterpoint: Ashkenazi Jews are white. our struggle is different from that of Black and Indigenous people, we have almost as much privilege as non-Jewish whites. maybe we werent "white" 60 years ago, maybe we wont be "white "in 10 years, but right now were white. antisemitism is still bad. we are not POC
and it has nothing to do with whether our ancestors owned slaves
Simply being hated by racists doesn’t render a group of people non-white. Racists hate the LGBT community, feminists, libs, etc.
And within the Jewish world, you’ll find and interesting overlap between people shouting “Ashkenazi Jews aren’t white” with the people minimizing the experiences of actual Jewish POC.
I’ll leave the post up so long as everything stays civil, it’s a decent discussion to have, though T of I is a pretty reactionary publication
Yeah I've looked at some of this guy's other writing and he comes off as pretty reactionary.
I find it funny that this is written by the most generic looking white dude ever.
The whole thing started because the new Wonder Woman is Jewish. Hollywood thought they had checked the diversity box, while BIPOC got angry about a role being taken away from their community.
My favorite part:
Reductio Ad Hitlerum
An informal fallacy that can best be summed up as “Hitler did X, therefore X is wrong”. Variations on this fallacy generally consist of swapping out “Hitler” and replacing him with “David Duke”, “neo-Nazis”, and “white supremacists”, etc. The gist of their argument is that by agreeing with white nationalist anti-Semites on one thing (i.e. that Jews are not white), I am endorsing – or at best enabling – the rest of their ideology, thereby thrusting Jews back into the crosshairs of the (American/European) far right. Proponents of this view hold that any degree of overlap is impermissible, and therefore I need to rethink my position.
Reddit brained mfer tries to deflect from the actual criticism of Israeli fascism by insinuating that they are being equated to other white supremacists and not it's own thing.
Not only that but there is a long history of Israeli nationalists collaborating with other fascists in hopes to drive more migration to Israel.
Two, this fallacy can easily be turned on its head by pointing out how notions of Jewish whiteness overlap with anti-Zionist anti-Semitism, specifically the ongoing erasure of our connection to the Middle East.
Okay let's draw this out to its logical conclusion, should I as a white person be able to lay claim to African heritage?
At some point it does matter how long you and your ancestors have spent outside the region.
I haven’t read the article in great detail, but historically it was more Sephardim and Iberian “new Christians” who were involved in the slave trade.
