I want to state up first I get it, I'm on the right side, most of these men are awful, and every man-o-sphere influence is awful. Andrew Tate belongs in a 6 foot deep hole, or a hole in the back of his head. Joe Rogan should be sent to the Hague.

But when dudes complain, even about genuine issues, we have a tendency to just attack them for it. If a guy complains that being short can kinda suck (and it can. More so than just getting girls, it can hurt your career and everything.) People, even leftists, tend to just call them a sad manlet or something. Same thing with dudes complaining they can't get a girlfriend, are they not alienated under capitalism? I'm not saying we have to coddle the incels, but we could do better at presenting a future, a better one, maybe?

The discourse about height, and dick size, are both stupid but here (in this safe space) can I admit that there's a point to both? They affect people, it's a real thing.

And back to the Joe Rogan's, I feel bad that men and boys get sucked into that. I have some pity for them, these desperate losers.

Anyways, Im sure I'm going to think this is dumb, but I just can't help but feel like there's a gigantic community of extremely disaffected people that while I mostly loathe, I also really feel bad for. I don't think it would've taken much to push me there, I grew up in a good environment with some good role models, but without that, left to the wolves, I'm as susceptible to the grifters as everyone is.

  • Awoo [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    Maybe but he's focused on non-male issues. What's needed is a set of leftists who do "machismo" alongside a focus on what the alienated crowd of young men/boys care about to compete with and undercut the manosphere. Generally I think of this as a sort of leftist ladbible style of influencer group, where the main focus is a "dudes rock" sort of thing with leftism being incidentally injected wherever necessary and manosphere influencers being heavily denounced but not to a point of whiny internet drama because that wouldn't be machismo and anyone with real machismo ought to be well above that kind of shit and it screams insecurity. The balance that's required is pretty delicate.

      • Awoo [she/her]
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        2 years ago

        I don't know, as you rightly point out the problem the left has is where we're going to get the funding we need from to expand. I'm actually with Richard Wolff on this one, we need more coops and we need those coops to enter into a dialectical struggle against non-coops where they then start pouring money into leftist causes as a matter of competition. We don't have things like bank robbing as an option anymore.

        An alternative here is figuring out how to create more class traitors who pour their wealth into the left, I've been thinking about that topic for a while. A few truly dedicated class traitors pouring millions into the left would be game changing.