MZT says that first we must analyze the primary contradiction in a society, from which all other contradictions build from.

My thought is that American working class do not revolt because our lifestyle is subsidized by the global poor. Of course there are impoverished workers (and lumpen) within America, but they are dissuaded by revolutionary organization because of this neocolonial dependence.

And I don't just mean "treats" although that's a big part of it. Many basic essentials are produced through the global supply chain and most people rely on income from companies who plunder the global south.

The financialization and deindustrialization of the American economy from neoliberal politics is the culmination of this. Why when workers made gains against industrial capitalists, production was moved to the global south.

I'm sure this has been discussed before by proper scholars, but I'd love to hear your thoughts. I'm just reading through On Contradiction now.

  • happyandhappy [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    I agree w your assessment. Trying to engage in a true proletarian revolution is laughable in the face of the large middle class, but the conditions for one can be worked towards. Historically there have been issues with labor representing petty bourgeois interests of farmers and such and losing their touch w the masses and very quickly dissipating. I think that what is needed is a broad united front, uniting the oppressed nations and nationalities within the United States with those struggling under monopoly capitalism, while maintaining at the same time a strong core involving functions such as a people's army.

    This is where my analysis reaches it's limit as any further conjecture is just the rambling of a person without specific material evidence but I personally see virtue in the idea of maoist and syndicalist approaches to whittling away at the state through dual power and trying to reconnect people to community in the present, representing an alternative life path to the obvious doom waiting for us at the end of the capitalistic one; instead of saying revolutionary suicide and preaching a pie in the sky, we should be advocating the building of communism in the present and practicing what we preach proving in real time to people at large that this we are not simply an idealist movement. edit* i guess i should add that essentially organizing is two fold: dual power to weaken the grip of the strength, and political power to force demands of the state.

    On the lumpenproletariat I think it's important to note that like all socioeconomic categories in a class society, the lumpen have proletarian and bourgeois class elements. Inherent to the lumpenproletariat class position is a betrayal of consciousness similar to what class traitors who join the military and police suffer from, however unlike them the lumpenproletariat are not distinctly aligned with the bourgeois. Courting members of the lumpenproletariat would mean finding and advancing specifically the lumpen with proletarian class interests and not wasting your time with the backwards elements w anti proletarian class interests. Imo it's less a matter of should we or should we not and more so to what extent do the specific conditions of the lumpen lend themselves towards a proletarian or bourgeois class interest.

    • BowlingForDeez [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      without specific material evidence but I personally see virtue in the idea of maoist and syndicalist approaches to whittling away at the state through dual power and trying to reconnect people to community in the present

      This is essentially what the Black Panther Party and the Young Lords did in the 1960s. Reading about them (and the Rainbow coalition) is my best source of :bloomer: material. The Community Breakfast program from the BPP and the Garbage offensive/Hospital offensive are perfect examples of direct action that engage the community and show how communal action leads to material improvements. I have been meaning to get off my ass and try to get a "garbage offensive" going in my home town's poorer area that has a ton of litter. Like just communists walking around and cleaning up the city is a powerful statement, but eventually I'd like to shit like fixing potholes or more mutual aid.

      As conditions decay for the petit bourg and labor aristocrats, hopefully we will have these mutual aid systems in place to catch them and radicalize them. If we don't, then Andrew Tate and Tucker Carlson will catch them and radicalize them.

      And your comments on lumpen are very intriguing, hadn't thought about that before. I don't know exactly what the "how" is yet, but I'm sure Housing activists are a good place to start.

      • happyandhappy [she/her]
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        2 years ago

        definitely the same here and the direct action and mutual aid of the BPP etc is something that i can feel sorely missing from the world, even if i understand that it is more so overdetermined by historical conditions than "efforts of the lefts" or whatever.

        something i think is particularly interesting and completely missing from the communist playbook that has historically been a significant point of class struggle is the demands for immediate relief. if you take a look at CPUSA's heyday in the ~30's they had begun to develop essentially American soviets as their mass tactics - at the time called "unemployment councils". but one critical element that should imo always be mentioned with mutual aid is that our job is not to share the poverty but to take back society from the capitalist state and immediate relief is the tactic to do that. immediate relief is essentially organizing people to demand relief from corporations for basic necessities and you can see it in the demands for protests like the Ford Hunger March that was organized by the CPUSA.

        and its totally understandable that getting started is really the hardest part. i think also perhaps it might be good to try to get in touch with other like minded people so you are both not shouldering the entirety of the burden on yourself (which is asking for hurt) and also to have some community and accountability with your community. simultaneously i think you would have a lot of success even just going around talking to people and asking them about what problems they are facing in their daily lives and organizing around the issues that seem to be ubiquitous and would therefore maximize the effectiveness of your work. wishing you luck and don't beat yourself up too hard (but a little bit is okay) about getting started!

        • BowlingForDeez [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          Thank you. My goal is to get more involved with DSA and see if they are open to the Mass Line tactics you laid out. And if not move on from there to a more radical org or something else.

          • happyandhappy [she/her]
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            2 years ago

            good plan. getting active and staying active is the most important thing! also last thing to note is that many socialist organizations in the US today are propaganda orgs and not direct action orgs, so a lot of the ground work for what needs to be done in the present day is still semi untreaded ground which can be discouraging but I think that just makes the work that needs to be done all the more important.