https://nitter.nl/Karl_Was_Right/status/1619050540113219584

  • happybadger [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    I just don't see the alternative path to Stalinism. If someone offered me something better, I wouldn't support the Soviet course in the 1930s-40s. Instead they offer Trotsky or worse. Stalin got results and he persecuted most of the people who deserved it.

      • Vncredleader
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        2 years ago

        I mean there are more than a few very awful mistakes or acts from that period. Lot of the purges are unjust and cannot be excused by them eventually defeating the fascists. Stuff like arresting educators for people with disability, as well as a lot of the foreign revolutionaries living in the USSR as expats. That often just hurt those movements and possibly harmed the war effort later, like the Finnish Reds. The mass deportations also often ended up being cruel, unnecessary, and a loss of manpower and waste of military resources.

        I love Stalin and I try my damndest to uphold him and I do think he was at least 80% correct 20% incorrect, but that 20% is really fucking depressing and not because libs use it as a bludgeon for their BS. It sucks reading about a figure and seeing their death date as '37-39 and your heart sinking. They dont make up even the majority of those purged, most didn't die, most purged didn't even face jailtime, but that overblown number still in actuality is disheartening.

        Which makes Trotsky as the sainted martyr so fucking funny. They pick the one guy who really was being traitorous and revisionist and posed a threat.

          • Vncredleader
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            2 years ago

            Well that and a lot of those purged who had been genuinely betrayed, had been loyal MLs who fit the "Stalinist" label right up to their execution. Even for those who did oppose Stalin they can hardly give actual focus to, they cannot say anything more about the likes of Kamenev or Zinoviev since they are "authoritarians." They can try to offhandedly say "look how Stalin treated even his allies", but would never justify men who truly agreed with his line like Krestinsky. Hell it is still kinda surprising that Bukharin is loved by guys like Gorbachev and somewhat rehabilitated in the west given he was an attack dog against Zinoviev.