We have no real outside funding, no actual community leaders and every time we attempt to create any large organization the cops are all over us. It's not that the left has 'regressed'. The left has been smashed.
This continues as a hangover from the complete and utter failure of BLM (which was likely an op from the beginning in 2020 after being compromised in 2014) and the Sanders movement (which was always politically incoherent), where all the actually principled leaders got arrested (because that is what you are supposed to do) and all the grifters moved on to the next thing.
I completely disagree. We should absolutely laugh at the chuds because they will have millions of dollars of support, high profile people, mainstream media backing, AND STILL FAIL because they don't actually understand the mechanisms for the creation of an effective popular movement.
Also because most of them are the aforementioned grifters.
I cant believe i have to argue with people here that you do not gotta hand it to fascists and reactionaries for hosting an event full of grifters. What is pointing people towards Peoples Party and Libertarians and all these far-right orgs and LaRouchites gonna do other than liquidate any coherent anti-war movement into a sea of dumb podcasters and youtubers lol
I not only have the right, I have a duty to laugh at them because they are arguably in the best position possible to succeed, but will not because their very ideology of libertarianism neuters any potential for them to challenge the security state. They, by the very methods and funding that makes them able to publically flail to stop the war, do not see the mass withdrawal of labor as a viable method of public expression, even though it is the only viable method of expression available to us. They will fail, not due to institutional violence, but neutered by their own nature. It is absolutely tragic and hilarious.
Our failure was a tragedy. Theirs will be a comedy.
Of course it does not change the matter. But what would you have me do? An adventurism? Call for a general strike on Facebook? Create a dank anti-war TikTok meme? It is difficult enough to organize mildly radical union work, let alone an unrelated work stoppage.
The Persians are coming, and I am content enough to roll my pot up and down the street.
Not at all a good comparison with Iraq. Yeah the anti-war movement is weak today, but not cause the left isn't organizing around it. Are you under the impression the left was more powerful in the 2000s? Any leftist anti-war org linking arms with fascists, reactionaries, sexual abusers, homophobes, racists, etc. will only weaken the movement. Several of the people at this event aren't even anti-war. Scott Ritter posted the other day he isn't anti-war and he wants Russia to annihilate Ukraine. This event is a joke full of clowns who dont do any real organizing or movement building. Growing their podcast and youtube audience is not a "movement" nor organizing.
How is the left too weak to stand up against the state when every leftist org in the country has been doing that the entire year though? I wouldn't even call this an "anti-war" event when they have people on that are pro-war just anti US intervention this specific one. That aint no anti-war movement being built just podcast dollars flowing in. Tulsi is literally a US army officer lol
They're also not challenging the premises our intervention in Ukraine are based from. It's akin to people's insistence we compare Ukraine to Palestine and ask why people aren't trying to stop the horrors of Zionism - it implicitly compares Russia's defense of DPR and LPR to the destruction of Palestine. It's insane.
Also OP didn't notice Codepink is literally on this roster. Fucking goobers you both are.
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We have no real outside funding, no actual community leaders and every time we attempt to create any large organization the cops are all over us. It's not that the left has 'regressed'. The left has been smashed.
This continues as a hangover from the complete and utter failure of BLM (which was likely an op from the beginning in 2020 after being compromised in 2014) and the Sanders movement (which was always politically incoherent), where all the actually principled leaders got arrested (because that is what you are supposed to do) and all the grifters moved on to the next thing.
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I completely disagree. We should absolutely laugh at the chuds because they will have millions of dollars of support, high profile people, mainstream media backing, AND STILL FAIL because they don't actually understand the mechanisms for the creation of an effective popular movement.
Also because most of them are the aforementioned grifters.
I cant believe i have to argue with people here that you do not gotta hand it to fascists and reactionaries for hosting an event full of grifters. What is pointing people towards Peoples Party and Libertarians and all these far-right orgs and LaRouchites gonna do other than liquidate any coherent anti-war movement into a sea of dumb podcasters and youtubers lol
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I get what you said, allow me to be more direct.
Spare me your sanctimony.
I not only have the right, I have a duty to laugh at them because they are arguably in the best position possible to succeed, but will not because their very ideology of libertarianism neuters any potential for them to challenge the security state. They, by the very methods and funding that makes them able to publically flail to stop the war, do not see the mass withdrawal of labor as a viable method of public expression, even though it is the only viable method of expression available to us. They will fail, not due to institutional violence, but neutered by their own nature. It is absolutely tragic and hilarious.
Our failure was a tragedy. Theirs will be a comedy.
Of course it does not change the matter. But what would you have me do? An adventurism? Call for a general strike on Facebook? Create a dank anti-war TikTok meme? It is difficult enough to organize mildly radical union work, let alone an unrelated work stoppage.
The Persians are coming, and I am content enough to roll my pot up and down the street.
Not at all a good comparison with Iraq. Yeah the anti-war movement is weak today, but not cause the left isn't organizing around it. Are you under the impression the left was more powerful in the 2000s? Any leftist anti-war org linking arms with fascists, reactionaries, sexual abusers, homophobes, racists, etc. will only weaken the movement. Several of the people at this event aren't even anti-war. Scott Ritter posted the other day he isn't anti-war and he wants Russia to annihilate Ukraine. This event is a joke full of clowns who dont do any real organizing or movement building. Growing their podcast and youtube audience is not a "movement" nor organizing.
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How is the left too weak to stand up against the state when every leftist org in the country has been doing that the entire year though? I wouldn't even call this an "anti-war" event when they have people on that are pro-war just anti US intervention this specific one. That aint no anti-war movement being built just podcast dollars flowing in. Tulsi is literally a US army officer lol
They're also not challenging the premises our intervention in Ukraine are based from. It's akin to people's insistence we compare Ukraine to Palestine and ask why people aren't trying to stop the horrors of Zionism - it implicitly compares Russia's defense of DPR and LPR to the destruction of Palestine. It's insane. Also OP didn't notice Codepink is literally on this roster. Fucking goobers you both are.