I love these guys, but they don’t understand how Russia believes Ukrainian neutrality to be a key tenet of their ideology. It really would be like if Canada or Mexico was given missiles to point at the US from China.
America would invade in those scenario, and the campaign would be full of problems.
Yeah, there's already plenty of Americans who would be happy for us to invade Mexico just for the cartels, but you'll never convince a liberal of this reality
I mean, we gamed this out in practice back in the 60s. Cuba got missiles. America did not invade. Just the opposite. Invading Cuba has been something neocons have wanted to do for decades, but that the Deep State simply cannot stomach in a way that is surprising given the lengths we've gone to invade places as far away as Afghanistan and Vietnam.
If Mexico had nukes pointed at the US, I suspect it would be far more resilient to invasion than it is even now.
The reason they didn’t invade Cuba is because at first Cuba was backed by the USSR, and then after the USSR collapsed because Cuba no longer poses any threat and they figured it would also collapse sooner or later.
An amphibious invasion from Cuba into America is absurd and would never happen. Cuba never posed any actual threat to US territorial integrity in any way.
That is not analogous to NATO, the world spanning empire, amassing one of the largest armies on Earth on your land border that you have been invaded through 3 times in the last century
You live in a world of ideals and dreams, you are not serious or pragmatic
Cuba no longer poses any threat and they figured it would also collapse sooner or later.
That was the outstanding theory in the 90s, sure. But then it didn't happen. And 40 years later it still hasn't happened, despite ample CIA meddling and corporate sponsored psi-ops.
An amphibious invasion from Cuba into America is absurd and would never happen.
No. The biggest threat Cuba poses is, ultimately, a cultural one. American leadership is terrified that anyone might believe Cuba is a nice place to live.
But the addition of weapons to the island wouldn't change the math of career suicide if an invasion failed. An amphibious assault on Cuba would be nightmarish for a whole host of reasons, not the least of which being how close to the action Americans would actually be. Bay of Pigs is still far too fresh in everyone's mind. Nobody wants to play the Allen Dulles to our current President's Kennedy. Nobody wants to get into a military quagmire within spitting distance of Florida.
You live in a world of ideals and dreams
I'm quite practical on this issue. There is no "clean" way to invade Cuba and no strongman we can install to secure the island even if we could take it. Unlike Iraq or Vietnam, there's no way to shield Americans from view of the atrocities. And, at some level, there's a very real risk of sympathetic Leftists throughout the northern hemisphere deciding to retaliate on the US directly in a way that would be extremely bad for US business interests.
Just look at what's come from our dirty wars in Latin America. The immigration crisis we keep freaking out about is the direct fallout of our failed 40 year drug war. The chronic failure - and in many cases outright reversal - of US foreign policy south of our border suggests we aren't equipped to maintain control of our own backyard. Throwing the full force of the US military at Cuba would be like kicking a hornet's nest.
I love these guys, but they don’t understand how Russia believes Ukrainian neutrality to be a key tenet of their ideology. It really would be like if Canada or Mexico was given missiles to point at the US from China.
America would invade in those scenario, and the campaign would be full of problems.
Yeah, there's already plenty of Americans who would be happy for us to invade Mexico just for the cartels, but you'll never convince a liberal of this reality
I mean, we gamed this out in practice back in the 60s. Cuba got missiles. America did not invade. Just the opposite. Invading Cuba has been something neocons have wanted to do for decades, but that the Deep State simply cannot stomach in a way that is surprising given the lengths we've gone to invade places as far away as Afghanistan and Vietnam.
If Mexico had nukes pointed at the US, I suspect it would be far more resilient to invasion than it is even now.
The reason they didn’t invade Cuba is because at first Cuba was backed by the USSR, and then after the USSR collapsed because Cuba no longer poses any threat and they figured it would also collapse sooner or later.
An amphibious invasion from Cuba into America is absurd and would never happen. Cuba never posed any actual threat to US territorial integrity in any way.
That is not analogous to NATO, the world spanning empire, amassing one of the largest armies on Earth on your land border that you have been invaded through 3 times in the last century
You live in a world of ideals and dreams, you are not serious or pragmatic
That was the outstanding theory in the 90s, sure. But then it didn't happen. And 40 years later it still hasn't happened, despite ample CIA meddling and corporate sponsored psi-ops.
No. The biggest threat Cuba poses is, ultimately, a cultural one. American leadership is terrified that anyone might believe Cuba is a nice place to live.
But the addition of weapons to the island wouldn't change the math of career suicide if an invasion failed. An amphibious assault on Cuba would be nightmarish for a whole host of reasons, not the least of which being how close to the action Americans would actually be. Bay of Pigs is still far too fresh in everyone's mind. Nobody wants to play the Allen Dulles to our current President's Kennedy. Nobody wants to get into a military quagmire within spitting distance of Florida.
I'm quite practical on this issue. There is no "clean" way to invade Cuba and no strongman we can install to secure the island even if we could take it. Unlike Iraq or Vietnam, there's no way to shield Americans from view of the atrocities. And, at some level, there's a very real risk of sympathetic Leftists throughout the northern hemisphere deciding to retaliate on the US directly in a way that would be extremely bad for US business interests.
Just look at what's come from our dirty wars in Latin America. The immigration crisis we keep freaking out about is the direct fallout of our failed 40 year drug war. The chronic failure - and in many cases outright reversal - of US foreign policy south of our border suggests we aren't equipped to maintain control of our own backyard. Throwing the full force of the US military at Cuba would be like kicking a hornet's nest.