The cutoff for the present "solution" seems to be never. The lines on the map are barely moving. The Wagner guy says 2 more years I think. And if Ukraine capitulated tomorrow, revanchism and irredentism are going to be majority positions in a country full of traumatized veterans and ATGMs.
I can't know how a different approach would have worked out. But when you send in the tanks you take responsibility for how it turns out.
There was no other solution because America and NATO weren't going to let this go another way. It was 2022 or sometime soon for this conflict to blossom, and Russia simply took the initiative.
Morocco is constantly undermining spanish authority, planting bugs in the presidential palace and constantly stirring shit up. Should Spain invade Morocco, then? Maybe they should take the initiative too.
Yes, they are actively bombing the Sahara.
No, they don't need to, Morocco is already cozy with the US.
Yes, it used to be, and Morocco is bombing said citizens.
Yes, they are being murdered by the moroccan regime.
No, the spanish bourgoisie is deep in morocco's pocket and don't care about it.
Yes, as i said, they invaded said region in the 70s.
Yeah, no. Also, not to Spain, to a region that used to be spanish up to the 70s, was conquered then by Morocco, and has been bombed ever since because they want to be independent.
It's hilarious how certain "leftists" are more bloodthirsty than liberals.
Holy shit, you people are sooooooo inmersed in russian propaganda than when presented with the exact same scenario in a different part of the world, you will inmediately run to justify the colonial power, again.
The cutoff for the present "solution" seems to be never. The lines on the map are barely moving. The Wagner guy says 2 more years I think. And if Ukraine capitulated tomorrow, revanchism and irredentism are going to be majority positions in a country full of traumatized veterans and ATGMs.
I can't know how a different approach would have worked out. But when you send in the tanks you take responsibility for how it turns out.
There was no other solution because America and NATO weren't going to let this go another way. It was 2022 or sometime soon for this conflict to blossom, and Russia simply took the initiative.
Morocco is constantly undermining spanish authority, planting bugs in the presidential palace and constantly stirring shit up. Should Spain invade Morocco, then? Maybe they should take the initiative too.
Are they shelling civilians? Why is it so hard for liberals to remember the status quo before the Russian invasion?
Yes, lmao. They murdered 50 inmigrants with the complicitness of the spanish government a few months ago.
Morocco isn't trying to take over Andalusia or install a coup government in Spain, and NATO isn't trying to break Spain into tiny pieces
Morocco woulf be Ukraine in my (admitely shitty) analogy.
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Yes, they are actively bombing the Sahara. No, they don't need to, Morocco is already cozy with the US. Yes, it used to be, and Morocco is bombing said citizens. Yes, they are being murdered by the moroccan regime. No, the spanish bourgoisie is deep in morocco's pocket and don't care about it. Yes, as i said, they invaded said region in the 70s.
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Yeah, no. Also, not to Spain, to a region that used to be spanish up to the 70s, was conquered then by Morocco, and has been bombed ever since because they want to be independent.
It's hilarious how certain "leftists" are more bloodthirsty than liberals.
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WTF?
There are a lot of equivalencies, as i've said. And i oppose imperialist wars in all shapes and forms. Unlike you.
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You sound like a zionist, complaining about being shelled while ignoring absolutely everything else.
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Oh cool, two treaties, not one or three. You want two. The Sahara has been internationally recognized by 80 countries, is that enought for you?
Yes. Cool it with the question mark.
Where's the pogroms??? Are you fucking kidding me?¿??¿?
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/north-africa-west-asia/oppression-is-brutal-morocco-breaks-up-western-sahara-protest-ahead-of-un-talks/ https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocupaci%C3%B3n_marroqu%C3%AD_del_Sahara_Occidental
Holy shit, you people are sooooooo inmersed in russian propaganda than when presented with the exact same scenario in a different part of the world, you will inmediately run to justify the colonial power, again.
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“Oh so you’d be a Zionist? Oh so you’d be in favor of invading Iraq? Oh so if the positions were different your position would be wrong and bad”
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I agree with you, I think the other interlocutor keeps making analogies that are frankly inane
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