not sure if this has been posted here before, but it's not new. i felt like this was a pretty solid summary of the devolving situation in eastern europe. i think it lands where a lot of us are, which is that the working people of ukraine are suffering due to the profitable war mongering of capitalist powers (but also, the ukrainian state genuinely has a nazi problem, not that russia's invasion had anything to do with that really).

  • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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    2 years ago

    I really, really want to know how popular the Nazis actually are on the ground bc i really suspect their influence is disproportionate to their numbers and popular support. 1/3 of the country, the ethnic russians, I can guess don't support them. And it seems like their base of support is heavily concentrated in Galacia. President whats his name pre-Maidan was as legitimately elected as you can get in Ukraine, and in absolute numbers Maidan wasn't that big. And Ukraine has crushed all dissent; opposition parties, journalists, even satirists. With the media fully state controlled and the sbu and vigilantes hunting and torturing/killing dissidents, and full complicity from the western media, even if there were a significant body of people horrified by the Nazi turn of the country they'd be invisible.hell, i just had a thought; want to get rid of politically unreliable men? Form them in to a light infantry unit and make them lead assaults until they're annihilated.

    • Llituro [he/him, they/them]
      hexagon
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      2 years ago

      kind of horrifying in terms of civilian costs to get rid of them that way though, what with their penchant for taking hostages and occupying civilian locations.

    • Awoo [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      Form them in to a light infantry unit and make them lead assaults until they’re annihilated.

      I don't think this is as good an idea as you think it is. You're essentially creating thousands upon thousands of martyrs, viewed as heroes, and creating propaganda that permeates society for every single death. Killing off a generation does not end an organisation if the organisation continues to exist, it simply continues into the next.

      You are not thinking of the effect all of this will have upon the next generations, filled with fascist propaganda and images of their national heroes from the heroic and most patriotic of units. You need to abolish this regiment and then utterly denounce it, slanderise it, run its name through the mud, propagandise it to such an extent that even seeing any of its symbols is stomach churning for the population. You must in essence ensure that the line of succession through the generations is snipped.

      It is not in fact necessary to kill all existing members. You simply need 2 conditions:

      1. Activities to cease - this could be killing them, but it could also just be terrorising them into stopping or fatigueing them into giving up like european communists in the post-soviet collapse.

      2. Generational succession to stop - propaganda and terror work well for this but must be at an absolutely monumental scale of implementation.