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Look, the point is that you can't believe the thousands of videos of Israel geocoding people. And you can't believe the dozens (or more) videos of them saying it on their local television talkshows. It's simply too complicated, you fucking nitwits. Now tow the party line; we have a genocide to help them complete.
There are two sides. One side supports genocide, the other side does not. It's pretty clear tbh
I get and agree with the spirit but "western liberals" doesn't mean anything
It does. Literally the president of the United States as a prime example.
See, based on what you mean by liberal, I don't know whether that means "the current potus is a dem" or "of course because everyone is a liberal there"
everyone is a liberal there
Do you mean everyone in the US is a liberal? No I don't believe that nor did I imply it. I only mentioned the president.
From further up the thread
A liberal is someone who:
- Upholds the modern nation state and is thus against monarchy (against whom the first liberals rebelled against)
- Upholds capitalism and market economies, and with it property rights
- Upholds electoral parliamentary systems of governance
- Usually believes in some version of the social contract or similar theory from which the legitimacy of the nation state and capitalism is derived.
This describes the bulk of the Democrat and Republican parties. US politics doesn't have a left-wing as it is understood in the rest of the world, our center is between two right-wing ideologies.
A liberal is someone who:
- Upholds the modern nation state and is thus against monarchy (against whom the first liberals rebelled against)
- Upholds capitalism and market economies, and with it property rights
- Upholds electoral parliamentary systems of governance
- Usually believes in some version of the social contract or similar theory from which the legitimacy of the nation state and capitalism is derived.
Anyone from the left complaining about liberals is using this definition of liberals (typically). The basic reasoning for using this definition if liberal is that it has always been the definition of liberal and has only changed recently in some parts of the world. It is also not necessary to change the definition because the "progressive liberals" also mostly fit the old definition either way. Pretty much every serious socialist political theory will start with a criticism of the philosophy of liberalism.
This is not political humor, it's not funny, it's reposted here to cause arguments and nothing else. Not very nuanced at all.
Islamists calling for a genocide for Israel are idiots. And so are the demonstrations.
It’s extremely sad, that Palestinians are dying and suffer so much. There should be more humanitarian aid and the war should stop. But calling to arms and supporting hamas is a no-go for me.
You cannot justify actions to others, just by acting like they did. It’s logical nonsense, you are basically like what you hate then.
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group... - UN definition
Consensus on the matter seems complex and I'm not an expert, but what I believe is the issue is the exact definition. The grey area lies with the intent of Israel, as they state they are aiming at Hamas military targets while actually having (bizarre levels of) collateral damage.
But by this definition, one could mass murder any number of people at all times, as long as they have not spoken out their intent to do so. It's just word play at that point.
