Why do you believe that the transformation of the environment is not class warfare? What do you think the bourgeoisie were doing when they transformed cities around the world into car-centric, human-hostile concrete deserts were doing? Not class warfare?
Where are you going to get "troops" without recruiting them with a message? What is the message without "utopian shit?" You might win some of them over with sheer contrarianism but that won't work outside of college campuses.
I don't know where you got the idea that I'm nihilistic, I have hope I just don't care about these kinds of ideas until there's a people's movement. I definitely have no hope that just dreaming up cool things will change the world, but I have a lot of hope that organized popular movements can
I don’t know where you got the idea that I’m nihilistic
I just don’t care about these kinds of ideas
"Society can be improved somewhat, hey look at what can be done with this waste of land and resources and how relatively easy it would be to do it if the people took it back" being called "utopian shit" leaves room for... what? What would you offer to unaligned people that doesn't involve any "utopian shit" whatsoever?
Why do you believe that the transformation of the environment is not class warfare? What do you think the bourgeoisie were doing when they transformed cities around the world into car-centric, human-hostile concrete deserts were doing? Not class warfare?
Obviously doing those things is class warfare, making diagrams isn't.
Do you think that one can transform the environment without diagrams or fight a battle without a battle plan?
No, but I think you have a better chance of winning a battle with troops and no plan than a plan and no troops
we dont have the troops. it is easier to acquire troops with a plan than without a plan.
Where are you going to get "troops" without recruiting them with a message? What is the message without "utopian shit?" You might win some of them over with sheer contrarianism but that won't work outside of college campuses.
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How is contrarian nihilism supposed to "do those things?" Sneering at people for having hope isn't going to organize them.
I don't know where you got the idea that I'm nihilistic, I have hope I just don't care about these kinds of ideas until there's a people's movement. I definitely have no hope that just dreaming up cool things will change the world, but I have a lot of hope that organized popular movements can
"Society can be improved somewhat, hey look at what can be done with this waste of land and resources and how relatively easy it would be to do it if the people took it back" being called "utopian shit" leaves room for... what? What would you offer to unaligned people that doesn't involve any "utopian shit" whatsoever?