The point is that none of this is praxis, and if it isn't directly translating into praxis we need to reassess our strategy and involvement with it. We're pointing out that the "leaves" of ideals and concepts are nothing without the "roots" of interaction with the material, that we can't assume there's necessarily an exchange/dialectic going on between the two. Because the vast majority of it is leaves with no roots, as evinced by the powerlessness and ineffectiveness of the Western left, and even moreso the online left.
If people want to engage with treats and slop as a way of blowing off steam that's whatever, but even leftism-flavored slop is still slop if it isn't resulting in material impacts in the real world. A small fraction of the posts on this site have potential to be useful because they're actually discussing theory or hashing out strategies or helping people self educate. But most of it is arguing about slop/drama or terminally online stuff with not nearly enough engagement with the real world.
I think the culture of this site has shifted a lot as the more active/radical people shifted focus to real world organizing, leaving a higher ratio of terminally online people. Or maybe it's just disproportionately impacted by people with the free time to post 100 comments a day.
The discussion MF started has some potential utility if it's a vehicle for critically analyzing our strategy and engagement with ideals/culture. Critical/strategic discussion in general. But yeah, other than that, it's still just slop.
Feel free to prove me wrong, but I doubt you specifically are capable of having this kind of critical discussion because you spend most of your time in defensive/offensive mode about some argument you can't get over. But it's not really unique to you, it's internet culture in general. Fixated on easy wins and dunks and excessively insecure about the possibility of being wrong. Seems like 80% of the userbase (or maybe just those that make 80% of the comments) is more interested in "winning" whatever discussion than anything.
Like, step back from our "conversation" for a moment and critically analyze your response. You're not actually engaging with anything that I said, you're just attempting to "gotcha" me with reddit-tier inline quotes. This sort of shit is a key part of why online discourse is so removed from material impact. It squanders the small amount of utility that might have been gained from such a discussion because you're making no effort to understand the essence of what is being communicated, instead fixating on whatever little parts you can nitpick. But that's par for the course tbh
I came here to discuss the fact that culture and posting doesn't seem to translate into the material world, and hopefully get a better understanding of why so we can do better. But some people can't stand to have their treats criticized so they reacted defensively
The point is that none of this is praxis, and if it isn't directly translating into praxis we need to reassess our strategy and involvement with it. We're pointing out that the "leaves" of ideals and concepts are nothing without the "roots" of interaction with the material, that we can't assume there's necessarily an exchange/dialectic going on between the two. Because the vast majority of it is leaves with no roots, as evinced by the powerlessness and ineffectiveness of the Western left, and even moreso the online left.
If people want to engage with treats and slop as a way of blowing off steam that's whatever, but even leftism-flavored slop is still slop if it isn't resulting in material impacts in the real world. A small fraction of the posts on this site have potential to be useful because they're actually discussing theory or hashing out strategies or helping people self educate. But most of it is arguing about slop/drama or terminally online stuff with not nearly enough engagement with the real world.
I think the culture of this site has shifted a lot as the more active/radical people shifted focus to real world organizing, leaving a higher ratio of terminally online people. Or maybe it's just disproportionately impacted by people with the free time to post 100 comments a day.
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The discussion MF started has some potential utility if it's a vehicle for critically analyzing our strategy and engagement with ideals/culture. Critical/strategic discussion in general. But yeah, other than that, it's still just slop.
Feel free to prove me wrong, but I doubt you specifically are capable of having this kind of critical discussion because you spend most of your time in defensive/offensive mode about some argument you can't get over. But it's not really unique to you, it's internet culture in general. Fixated on easy wins and dunks and excessively insecure about the possibility of being wrong. Seems like 80% of the userbase (or maybe just those that make 80% of the comments) is more interested in "winning" whatever discussion than anything.
Like, step back from our "conversation" for a moment and critically analyze your response. You're not actually engaging with anything that I said, you're just attempting to "gotcha" me with reddit-tier inline quotes. This sort of shit is a key part of why online discourse is so removed from material impact. It squanders the small amount of utility that might have been gained from such a discussion because you're making no effort to understand the essence of what is being communicated, instead fixating on whatever little parts you can nitpick. But that's par for the course tbh
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I came here to discuss the fact that culture and posting doesn't seem to translate into the material world, and hopefully get a better understanding of why so we can do better. But some people can't stand to have their treats criticized so they reacted defensively